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Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by EthanHeilman on Saturday September 19, 2020 @08:22AM (#24526949)
>The left in USA has been convinced (or convinced itself) that identity politics is more important than human rights.

I disagree. I think we had torture so that a President could look tough on National Security as a re-election strategy. Not-torturing people and "identity politics" are not mutually exclusive, there is no reason that we couldn't have both. "Identity politics" is fundamentally about human liberty and the dignity of the individual, a.k.a. individualism, which is also the same moral foundation that most arguments against torture rest on. Advancing the rights of the individual advances the case against torture.

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by mantap on Saturday September 19, 2020 @11:14AM (#24527931)
I'm not saying it's bad to have both. It's bad to have identity politics without first having human rights. Human rights are the foundation on which to build an equal society. Attempting to achieve equality before a even a right to life is secured is perverse and cannot work.

Is it no wonder that the police in USA murder black people, when the state also does so?

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by stjohnswarts on Saturday September 19, 2020 @09:37PM (#24531394)
They'll probably have more time to concentrate on basic human rights soon with the Republicans sure to vote in an anti-gay, anti-abortion, racist, anti-women's rights SCOTUS judge. There won't be any "swing vote" anymore. Roe v. Wade is history unless the democrats win both houses and the Presidency and can add 3 more left leaning SCOTUS judges. Say goodbye to voter rights, minority rights, and anything even slightly related to queer rights.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by codezero on Saturday September 19, 2020 @07:14PM (#24530912)
Which human rights are being deprioritized and in exchange for what lgbtq rights?

If you say they put X above Y, I feel like you should quantify that with something.

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Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by GOONIMMUNE on Saturday September 19, 2020 @09:51AM (#24527408)
As a leftist myself, I can't recall ever talking to another leftist who supported female genital mutilation, or called someone a racist for criticizing it. I think you're talking out your butt
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 19, 2020 @01:10PM (#24528896)
They've developed a false argument. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a vocal critic of female genital mutilation, but many of her other positions are islamophobic. Positions like "we are at war with Islam and it must be defeated."

In reality, I can both oppose female genital mutilation and consider Ayaan Hirsi Ali racist.

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by lawnchair_larry on Saturday September 19, 2020 @01:20PM (#24528986)
Islam isn’t a race. Criticisms of religions are perfectly reasonable and valid positions to hold.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 19, 2020 @03:01PM (#24529679)
Calling for Muslims to be militarily crushed isn't criticism, its bigotry of some sort even if you don't consider it racist.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by Viliam1234 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @04:54PM (#24530254)
> In reality, I can both oppose female genital mutilation and consider Ayaan Hirsi Ali racist.

Of course you can. But became sufficiently famous doing so, and you will probably also find yourself on some list of "problematic" people.

In case I am completely wrong about this, the best way to convince me would be to provide a name of a recent famous speaker against female genital mutilation who is considered politically correct.

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 19, 2020 @09:30PM (#24531375)
> course you can. But became sufficiently famous doing so, and you will probably also find yourself on some list of "problematic" people

This acts like people were out to vilify her, when she publicly holds incredibly offensive positions.

OK, I'll bite.

Former congressman Joe Crowley

Layli Miller-Muro

Nimco Ali

Comfort Momoh

Waris Dirie

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by Viliam1234 on Sunday September 20, 2020 @05:28AM (#24532887)
Thank you! Never heard about them before, but they have a Wikipedia page each, so obviously other people did. That's a good news!
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by jowsie on Saturday September 19, 2020 @11:09AM (#24527897)
Just wanted to echo this. Have never seen anyone called racist for speaking out against female genital mutilation.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by jancsika on Saturday September 19, 2020 @10:06AM (#24527506)
> Those who object to this barbarism, inflicted upon millions of girls every year, are actually, somehow, called “racists” for doing so.

I am vehemently opposed to female genital mutilation. Even with HN's overly large number of contrarians and trolls, I claim no one can write a convincing argument that my previous sentence is in any way racist.

Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by haha697 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:37PM (#24528633)
Why is it okay to perform the similar procedures on males? It's an outdated , barbaric practice
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by stjohnswarts on Saturday September 19, 2020 @09:39PM (#24531400)
I agree, end it all. Save the foreskins.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by Viliam1234 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @05:06PM (#24530309)
As long as you speak as if female genital mutilation exists in a vacuum, as long as you carefully avoid mentioning that some cultures are more supportive of this practice than others, as long as you do not point out that some girls are at much greater risk than the general population and that any meaningful prevention needs to focus on them... you are okay. This also makes it impossible to suggest any policy with a realistic possibility to actually reduce female genital mutilation.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by leephillips on Saturday September 19, 2020 @05:26PM (#24530430)
Bingo.
Re:Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at... by pftf on Saturday September 19, 2020 @11:40AM (#24528169)
> the “left”

Makes sense that you put this in quote marks, given that you're just inventing wild caricatures to argue against.