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Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by coldtea on Saturday September 19, 2020 @06:37AM (#24526473)
"Psychoanalytic is as discredited as theory can get" - you'd be surprised. People saying such have in mind some caricature of 19th century Freudian analysis.

>Plus the article is riddled with sentences like "telos of the clickbait economy is fascist kitsch."

Which basically means "the final state the clickbait economy moves forward as its inherent tendency is fascist kitsch".

>It's just empty claptrap, that could have been written in half as many words, if the writer wasn't trying to be as pretentious.

In other words, if we talked down to his audience, assuming them to being half-illiterate Joe Sixpacks.

Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by Ygg2 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @07:25AM (#24526670)
> People saying such have in mind some caricature of 19th century Freudian analysis

Article mentions Freud's desire for death.

Freud theory is bunk. It's unprovable, can't be verified, useless and outdated model. If psychology as a whole has a replication issue. Freud psychoanalytics has a deeply existential issue.

> Which basically means "the final state the clickbait economy moves forward as its inherent tendency is fascist kitsch".

I know what it means. In the end you didn't explain much, just explained what telos is.

Let me help - Clickbait economy is a rage generator.

> other words, if we talked down to his audience, assuming them to being half-illiterate Joe Sixpacks.

I read my fair share of philosophers, I understand what he's trying to say. However it's all been said better and more eloquently by CCP Grey in his video on memes.

https://youtu.be/rE3j_RHkqJc

Any halfwit, pompous, rudderless, telos lacking humanities reject could have written, a long, detalied, baroque word salad if the whippersnapper in question was so inclined - much like this sentence.

Real artistry isn't saying as much as you can, but saying as much as you can in as few and understandable words.

To quote a poet "Brevity is the soul of wit".

Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by coldtea on Saturday September 19, 2020 @06:06PM (#24530625)
>Article mentions Freud's desire for death.

Yes. Which is not the same as a caricature of Freudian analysis.

>Freud theory is bunk. It's unprovable, can't be verified

Not everything has to be verified. This tendency of Anglosaxons/Analyticals to want to "verify" everything is bunk. Heck, it's itself unprovable and can't be verified (you can't verify the need for verification -- in the end you always get to some unverified tenets you need to begin, e.g. utilitarianism).

>To quote a poet "Brevity is the soul of wit".

To quote another poet: "I have heard many people say, "Give me the ideas, it is no matter what words you put them into.... Ideas cannot be given but in their minutely appropriate words".

Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by Ygg2 on Sunday September 20, 2020 @03:41AM (#24532522)
> Not everything has to be verified.

Not everything can be verified. However a self proposed science that isn't verified is just philosophy. Hence, my four elements from Aristotle.

What Freudian psychoanalysis has is a semblance of science. It reminds me of quacks selling quantum energies to cure your back problems. Only instead of quantum its Phlogiston.

> Heck, it's itself unprovable and can't be verified

An unprovable science is just philosophizing.

As for verification can't itself be verified. Purely theoretically - yes. However. Purely theoretically you could use a rock enchanted by your local witch doctor to send me this message.

Are you using such device (not based on science, and verification but magical powers) to communicate?

My point is, verification is based on things working in the real world, which psychoanalysis for the most part doesn't.

Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by coldtea on Sunday September 20, 2020 @04:15PM (#24537027)
>Purely theoretically you could use a rock enchanted by your local witch doctor to send me this message. Are you using such device (not based on science, and verification but magical powers) to communicate?

No, but that's probably a coincidence more than anything else. Other cultures have used such methods, and were satisfied by them!

We might say "sure, but they were ignorant, those methods didn't work", etc. -- but if they had no qualms about them at the time, our objection is somewhat moot...

Re:A psychoanalytic reading of social media and the death drive by Ygg2 on Monday September 21, 2020 @06:41AM (#24541828)
It's not coincidence. If you want something to work reliably, you need science. Regards of underlying system.