Trump offered to pardon Assange if he provided source for DNC emails

Re:Trump offered to pardon Assange if he provided source for... by jessaustin on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:37PM (#24518878)

At least the DNI, and usually the D/CIA as well (these positions used to be the same one, and were only separated after we invaded), attends all presidential meetings that touch national security. I'll admit, any meeting with Cheney could spontaneously whip up a war from the ether, but even in his odious presence I think we have to hold these officials responsible for using their words.

In every press conference announcing some fresh horrific stupid war, there are spooks present and they do receive direct questions. It would be better for humanity if they didn't lie when answering.

Claims that CIA aren't pro-war and must be corrupted by evil presidents are pure fantasy. CIA have fought wars, by themselves, without telling the president. [0]

[EDIT:] If you've reached the point that you're imagining that honest secret reports are overruled by the public statements and actions of dishonest elected officials, could you accept that the whole idea of government secrecy is mistaken? Why not have these conversations in the open? Surely we'd make better decisions?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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Re:Trump offered to pardon Assange if he provided source for... by osobear on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:57PM (#24519148)

The CIA has a mandate to carry out clandestine operations in foreign nations, which includes arming local militias.

Personally I'm pro-regime change, especially in Cold War Latin America, but that doesn't change anything.

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Re:Trump offered to pardon Assange if he provided source for... by ed25519FUUU on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:18PM (#24520099)

Please, we need to stop these endless wars. Why is it people are voting for TRUMP of all people because they want our troops pulled out of Iraq (17 years), Afghanistan (19 years), and Syria (6 years). How is antiwar/anti-occupation a TRUMP thing and not a liberal/progressive tentpole issue?

Why does the military industrial complex together with intelligence agencies fabricate lies to keep us embroiled forever in these evil endless wars? Every time we try and pull out there's a new BS story from these groups that everyone laps up: "Bounties on US soldiers! War is good! War is peace! War forever!"

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Re:Trump offered to pardon Assange if he provided source for... by jessaustin on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:39PM (#24520387)

Americans are really bad at remembering what just happened. Every war we've fought in the last 150 years, except perhaps WWII (i.e., there were lies but we probably did have to fight), we entered based on complete lies. Yet, we keep starting wars. I think our forgetfulness is not some contingent detail, but a core driver of the American war machine, which grinds up brown people to create money for armaments manufacturers and their puppets in government and news media. We forget because we must. If we remembered, the machine would grind to a halt.

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