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Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:04PM (#24518479)
Ex-employee here. Adam Rogas is a pathological liar and sociopath who dragged this out for years. I don't know how multiple audits failed to raise red flags over multiple $999,999.99 fake Stripe payouts. He literally inserted millions every few lines that didn't match up with the data around it. They never asked anyone else to produce the same report. Everyone involved should never be responsible for this amount of money again (looking at you, Lightspeed).

If your CEO is actively siloing all financial and customer information, your entire company needs to speak up and get on the same page. Don't let this happen to you.

Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:42PM (#24518940)
Anyway folx, don't invest in a "hot startup" you've never heard of.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by elliekelly on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:10PM (#24519275)
Do you know when the company/Rogas first came under investigation?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:16PM (#24519354)
The SEC tried investigating since December 2019, possibly earlier. Again, public information.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by wakeywakeywakey on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:29PM (#24518807)
Why did you choose not to blow the whistle?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:30PM (#24518818)
I didn't have all the information that's coming out now. People tried. Read the article. The last investment was finalized days after someone raised concerns after realizing we didn't contact 70% of our customers.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by wakeywakeywakey on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:32PM (#24518837)
The details of your post go beyond those mentioned in the article. Could you provide additional links?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:34PM (#24518855)
I was someone at the bottom of the totem pole who tried to do my job and ask what questions I could. I certainly noticed a lack of analytics or basic traffic/revenue/customer data. Retroactively, it was obvious that this was essentially a fake job, but I couldn't piece this together and there wasn't enough company-wide transparency.

The fake financial statements were publicly released: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1317641...

Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by edm0nd on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:18PM (#24519380)
How much were you being paid a year to do basically nothing?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:38PM (#24519636)
Decent salary, but that's not the point. I'm distraught to realize I spent 5 months on nothing, and it's not something I'm proud to have or explain on my CV. It's cruel how much money these people throw away, but we were misled into thinking it was real. I wouldn't have taken this position to support such a scumbag.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by CatShitTodd on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:56PM (#24519862)
What is cruel is I am having to file bankruptcy because of this.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by lmeyerov on Friday September 18, 2020 @04:03PM (#24521293)
That is super tough and stressing, sorry!

FWIW, I would wait on returning any money (or saying anything at all, really) + talk to a lawyer with experience in bankruptcy (their's + yours).

My guess is you can keep all/most of the $. They were fraudulent to you + the company is now evaporating. Sounds like you still need to pivot, but at least you can do so with $ in the bank and no black marks.

Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by caymanjim on Friday September 18, 2020 @03:28PM (#24520927)
Not sure if you're being serious, but if you were an early investor, isn't it on you to make sure the business is legit? Anyone can be misled by a fraudster, but some responsibility lies with the VCs and angel investors throwing money at these companies and enabling this sort of thing to happen.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by CatShitTodd on Friday September 18, 2020 @03:46PM (#24521128)
No, not an investor. Without giving a way too much, we are a company in the technology space. They paid us a fee per user. They paid us fees based on these fake numbers of users that they submitted to their investors. Which means they essentially over paid us what is a lot of money for our small company. We made business decisions around that money in the past and for the future. Now it looks like that not only will we get no more money, but they also want like 90% of what they paid us back.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by phyalow on Friday September 18, 2020 @06:11PM (#24522374)
Sorry to hear that. I dont know what the contract says, but I would be inclined to lawyer up and tell them to get stuffed RE the repayments.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by NationalPark on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:39PM (#24520386)
Were you an investor?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by CatShitTodd on Friday September 18, 2020 @03:47PM (#24521151)
No, not an investor. Without giving a way too much, we are a company in the technology space. They paid us a fee per user. They paid us fees based on these fake numbers of users that they submitted to their investors. Which means they essentially over paid us what is a lot of money for our small company. We made business decisions around that money in the past and for the future. Now it looks like that not only will we get no more money, but they also want like 90% of what they paid us back.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by edm0nd on Friday September 18, 2020 @04:37PM (#24521653)
Man/Gal, that sucks! Keep your head up <3
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pjc50 on Friday September 18, 2020 @12:59PM (#24519163)
Why would you? Even if you've got all your ducks in a row you've made yourself a target for media attention and lawsuits.
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by libria on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:35PM (#24519610)
Why not? Anonymously demanding moral action from others makes me righteous and costs me nothing. =)
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by tomashertus on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:17PM (#24519366)
And how was the quality of product? Was it something breathtaking that it attracted $157.9M in funding?
Re:CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fr... by pstoica on Friday September 18, 2020 @01:35PM (#24519609)
Hell no, a $400 million valuation made no sense, but he kept feeding us these lies.