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Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by langitbiru on Thursday September 17, 2020 @09:27AM (#24504327)
So we have the cheaper alternatives of Adobe Photoshop which are Affinity Photo and Gimp.

How hard is to build the equivalent of "Affinity Photo" to Autodesk Fusion 360? Maybe this is a good startup idea.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by qppo on Thursday September 17, 2020 @09:38AM (#24504436)
It's a great startup idea, almost guaranteed exit through acquisition by Autodesk et al.
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by JeremyHerrman on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:34PM (#24506745)
> How hard is to build the equivalent of "Affinity Photo" to Autodesk Fusion 360? Maybe this is a good startup idea.

Answer: It's extremely hard to build any equivalent to Fusion 360 or any full featured CAD/CAM tool. This is not a weekend hackathon problem!

There are so many fundamental building blocks, with many requiring teams of PhDs to produce: CAD kernels, constraint solvers, file format interop, sketching tools, assembly support (mating), simulation, etc... Not to mention the manufacturing specific modeling tools for sheet metal, generative design for milling & 3D printing.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by langitbiru on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:51PM (#24506957)
So it can be considered as hard as building VR headset (Oculus)? Is it what we call a moonshot project?
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by JeremyHerrman on Thursday September 17, 2020 @01:02PM (#24507115)
If you want to build each individual piece without licensing from Siemens/Dassault, then yes this would compare to a moonshot.

Parasolid, the CAD kernel owned by Siemens, is more than 30 years old at this point. The same amount of effort has gone into many of the other building blocks as well. OPENCASCADE is a FOSS CAD kernel but doesn't work well for real CAD, and support is hard to come by for companies building on it.

Most startups tend to license these tools instead of building them, but that comes at a large cost that must be pushed down to customers, hence the $$$$ cost of CAD today.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by mywittyname on Thursday September 17, 2020 @01:58PM (#24507816)
They also have a massive global team of really brilliant people working on NX and the related components. I'm talking former NASA employees who worked on components for the space shuttle or Mars rovers work there. That's the kind of expertise you can't really buy or acquire as an OSS project.

Plus, they are not shy about acquisitions. It's how they maintain their dominance. Any company that builds a remotely useful product in that space will find themselves sitting in front of a Big Fucking Check that's going to be hard to turn down. Anyone who turns it down will probably find themselves sitting in front of several patent lawsuits all over the world.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by cassianoleal on Thursday September 17, 2020 @09:34AM (#24504393)
FreeCAD, OpenSCAD are FOSS alternatives.

For "free as in beer" there's OnShape with the caveat that all your projects in the free tier are public, and that it runs on the browser or via mobile apps. The iPadOS app has Apple Pencil support which is pretty neat.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by IshKebab on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:15AM (#24504876)
Unfortunately FreeCAD is kind of unusable (in the same way that KiCAD is), and OpenSCAD isn't an alternative at all.

The only decent FOSS parametric CAD software I've found is SolveSpace, but it is quite limited, e.g. it doesn't even have a bevel tool, and there's no CAM. It's pretty much the Notepad of CAD.

CAD is just one of those things that is too complicated and niche for FOSS to do well.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by jbay808 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:37PM (#24506775)
> CAD is just one of those things that is too complicated and niche for FOSS to do well.

It's arguably too complicated for hackers to do well in their spare time, but there are plenty of FOSS projects in similarly complicated niche areas. The most successful ones tend to have companies or consortiums backing them, who aren't looking to make money on the softare itself but have it complement or support their other activities. OpenModelica for one example.

I always wonder why a consortium of big manufacturers (say Ford, Caterpillar, Hitachi, etc) don't just throw their weight behind some FOSS CAD initiative and get something standard that they can rely on forever. I don't think it would cost them more than 3rd party software in the long run.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by dotancohen on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:50PM (#24506944)

  > in the long run
That's your answer. Seriously.

People have taken the initiative and talked to the engineering departments and bean counters at large engineering houses (brands you're not familiar with, that do the engineering for e.g. Ford, etc but not the design which is typically in-house). The reasons are A) short term cost with no benefit, B) having to train staff, and C) compatibility with extant files. Not only will the current staff have to be retrained but nobody can be hired with experience with the tool.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by qppo on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:48PM (#24506910)
> I always wonder why a consortium of big manufacturers (say Ford, Caterpillar, Hitachi, etc) don't just throw their weight behind some FOSS CAD initiative and get something standard that they can rely on forever.

The problem for these businesses is that their internal CAD libraries are essentially proprietary tooling, they don't have an interest in making it open source, and much of the tooling around those libraries and software packages is proprietary or patented.

It's kind of analogous to Qualcomm's stranglehold over cellular communications. If you don't pay them you're also throwing away decades of IP and tooling around it, and lose interoperability.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by oogway8020 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:45AM (#24505235)
Cadquery is a very nice python only API, based on the OpenCascade, much better API then FreeCAD. So someone looking to make parametric models via code, I think it's the best option out there.
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by mrfusion on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:56AM (#24505379)
What are the limitations of openscad?
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by skykooler on Thursday September 17, 2020 @03:53PM (#24509173)
The biggest one is that everything is done via, essentially, writing a program that creates the geometry; there's no interaction with a GUI.
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by IshKebab on Thursday September 17, 2020 @05:02PM (#24509924)
It's fine for making stuff that is highly parametric and procedural, like gears and fasteners. You wouldn't want to design anything else with it though, like a car or a pen or a gun.
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by incanus77 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @01:21PM (#24507327)
I would highly recommend the Joko Engineering series of FreeCAD YouTube videos. I went from being pretty adept at OpenSCAD to getting FreeCAD to "click" by watching this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geSQlBczsWY

After that, I spent a month last year doing a daily household item challenge, which really leveled up my skills and now there's no turning back.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/30DayCADChallenge?f=live

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by brudgers on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:06AM (#24504769)
There is also BRLCad which is in the public domain.
Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by japanuspus on Thursday September 17, 2020 @09:54AM (#24504622)
Obligatory comment to anything related to parametric 3D modelling: Have a look at [solvespace], which is a GPL3 cross-platform standalone parametric modeller with an awesome hacker-feel.

If you drop by github to look at the code, make sure to check out some of the other awesome projects by @whiteshark (who is one of the authors).

[solvespace]: http://solvespace.com/index.pl

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by abakker on Thursday September 17, 2020 @09:57AM (#24504660)
As far as integrated CAD/CAM, I've never seen anything as nice to use as Fusion on the OSS side.

Honestly, I'll just end up paying. It pisses me off that they managed this so poorly, and even more that their pricing tiers include so much BS. Oh well.

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by app4soft on Thursday September 17, 2020 @06:59PM (#24510983)
Fully agree. SolveSpace is awesome for daily engineering![0]

> make sure to check out some of the other awesome projects by @whiteshark

Typo Fix: @whitequark[1]

[0] https://github.com/Symbian9/SolveSpace-Daily-Engineering

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=whitequark

Re:Autodesk Fusion 360 becomes almost useless for hobbyists by PascLeRasc on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:48AM (#24505278)
Fusion 360 was the Sketch/Figma answer to SolidWorks/Adobe, and I think it still can be. I’ve seen some absolutely amazing CAM work done in Fusion and I love using it. It’s so easy to get started actually making stuff in it. We’ll see about the limitations but right now they don’t seem too severe.