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Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by fxtentacle on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:06PM (#24499091)
I believe the cracked games are on sufficiently obscure websites to be a deterrent to regular users. So maybe 10% of those people that would otherwise not have paid will just buy a DRM game instead of cracking it.

One could even argue that it is pro consumer by making sure the revenue will go back to paying consumers in the form of additional content, instead of paying for players who didn't buy it.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by p1necone on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:12PM (#24499657)
This is just one piece of anecdata, but I'm perfectly capable of pirating games yet haven't in years. I buy everything on steam or gog because it's so convenient. The last time I pirated any video games was suprise surprise when I wasn't making enough income to buy them.

TV series on the other hand I still pirate to this day (if they aren't on the couple of streaming services I sub to), because buying them is way too complicated (even impossible with a large portion of shows that aren't current, and a fair number of current shows too).

Movies are a mixed bag - grabbing cheap dvds or blu rays of pretty much anything is easy online so I usually do that, but I imagine if I preferred digital media or watched enough movies for my physical collection to be unwieldy I'd resort to piracy because buying digital copies of movies is just as complicated as TV.

Give me "Steam for Movies and TV" or a streaming service that aggregates licenses from everyone, and doesn't only host the content that they think will be most popular and I'll probably stop pirating those too.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by Causality1 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:27PM (#24499778)
It's the unreliability I can't tolerate. I don't pirate pc games because when I buy something on Steam it will always be available for me to download, even if a licensing problem means other people can't buy it.

With streaming, who knows? Maybe Netflix loses the rights and it disappears. Maybe their encode is garbage and it ruins the dark scenes. So, I still pay for streaming services but anything I actually care about I download and archive.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by kroltan on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:56PM (#24500354)
> Maybe Netflix loses the rights and it disappears.

That is interesting because it happened to me in the most annoying way possible:

I was watching Donnie Darko, a rather obscure movie that requires (or at least for me required) a bit of brainpower to watch. So I watched the first half of it and planned to watch the remainder the next day. Come the next day, and where is the movie? Nowhere to be found.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by the_af on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:23PM (#24500504)
Hah. I had bookmarked Donnie Darko because, while I had already watched it (good movie, even better soundtrack!) I wanted to watch it again with my wife. I swear it was available the week before I finally decided to rewatch it, then of course it was gone when I wanted it.

(By the way, I know this doesn't actually happen, but I swear Netflix sticks in my bookmarks movies and shows I never bookmarked!)

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by cableshaft on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:22PM (#24500502)
That happened to me with Stargate SG-1. Was going through it on Netflix and suddenly it disappeared. Eventually resurfaced on Amazon Prime but the video quality is garbage on it for some reason.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by Causality1 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:08PM (#24500768)
Prime Video quality seems breathtakingly bad to me as well. Even their "high quality, 8GB per hour" setting looks remarkably worse than a 4GB h264 rip, to say nothing of HEVC.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by cableshaft on Thursday September 17, 2020 @06:41AM (#24503001)
I actually didn't mean video quality on Amazon Prime in general. For example, we just got done watching Mr. Robot on Amazon Prime and I had no issues with the video, personally. But Stargate SG-1 was particularly bad, for some reason. Worse than SD, lots of artifacts.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by donpott on Thursday September 17, 2020 @06:34AM (#24502958)
I was mid-way through watching the newly released (on Netflix) S2 of "Derry Girls" and they deleted it mere days after making it available. I was annoyed. Turns out they had messed up the rights.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2020-07-14/derry-g...

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by progman32 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:41AM (#24501246)
> when I buy something on Steam it will always be available for me to download

At least, until Steam goes offline, or maybe your account gets lost. I for one still use Steam, but I do wonder if I'll be able to play my favorite games in 20 years.

A plain EXE from itch, GOG, or some other source will work as long as compatible hardware lives on.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by leetcrew on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:53AM (#24505334)
a key feature missing from netflix and amazon prime (and presumably the others, I haven't tried them) is the ability to force a certain quality for the stream. AFAIK, they don't even indicate in the UI whether your stream is 480p, 1080p, or 2160p. youtube has had this feature for at least a decade and even most porn sites seem to have it now.

if this is somehow "too complicated" for the average user, just make the default an "auto" setting that does whatever it does now and bury it in a menu somewhere.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by notsuoh on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:06PM (#24500755)
Same boat for movies. I used to use icefilms or torrents extensively for every film. But now my first stop is Justwatch to find out what service has the film I want to watch, and then I log into that service and buy it.

Admittedly some services, like RedBox, are more frustrating than torrenting though.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by young_unixer on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:26PM (#24500521)
Another big deterrent to pirating games is the possibility of it installing malware in your system.

That danger is almost exclusive to software piracy. The probability of being infected by an evil pdf, mp3 or mp4 is really low if you know what you're doing (i.e. updating and using decent software).

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by axilmar on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:37AM (#24502392)
An effective DRM technique would be to spread a version of the game without DRM but with lots of malware in it then.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by menybuvico on Thursday September 17, 2020 @03:37AM (#24502089)
Adding my voice to this argument: Xbox live stopped my pirating simply by providing a more easily accessible alternative and with prices that are competitive enough for me to prefer to pay for games rather than getting through the hassle of pirating.

This included RDR2. Totally worth it.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by the_af on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:19PM (#24499220)
Cracked games websites are as obscure as The Pirate Bay, i.e. not very. Plus everyone who downloads a pirated game points his/her friends to the site, or directly shares the downloaded files. Even if you weren't aware of where to get warez, your friends will be.

> One could even argue that it is pro consumer

One really couldn't. It punishes buyers with encumbered software while merely delaying pirates a short while. Pirates end up with the better experience, so...

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by leetcrew on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:57AM (#24505400)
> Cracked games websites are as obscure as The Pirate Bay, i.e. not very. Plus everyone who downloads a pirated game points his/her friends to the site, or directly shares the downloaded files. Even if you weren't aware of where to get warez, your friends will be.

you might be surprised at how obscure torrents have become outside of tech circles. when I graduated college (2017), basically no one outside of the comp sci department understood how to use torrents (or even knew what they were). this would have been unthinkable when I was in high school. everyone and their mother seemed to be torrenting music and movies.

I even tried explaining how to use them to people, but they would object that the school would catch them anyway. when I explained how VPNs work, they complained that $6/month was too expensive for a poor college student. nevermind that they're already paying for prime, netflix, and hulu subscriptions every month.

I think there are two main reasons for this. a lot of people have laptops with the base storage option, often a 256GB or even 128GB ssd. phones have even less storage. this makes it unappealing to keep a local library of music and especially movies (plus now that everyone has a phone and a laptop, syncing your collection becomes annoying). second, I think video and especially music streaming services have actually succeeded in making their products just convenient enough that people don't feel like figuring out how to use torrent trackers and clients.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by Camas on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:43PM (#24499894)
>as obscure as The Pirate Bay, i.e. not very

Blocked in Europe, China, Australia, ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_blocking_access_to_T...

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by the_af on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:54PM (#24499962)
... and I'm sure there are no ways around that, right? Wink, wink.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by Camas on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:18PM (#24500474)
opening a pdf is a difficult task for most people

exaggerating slightly but you know what I mean

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by the_af on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:27PM (#24500527)
All it takes is one of your friends who knows how to. Then they'll share with you. And much like opening PDFs, this isn't rocket science.

The base knowledge here is people who know how to install and play pretty complex games. These people go to impossible lengths to install video drivers and troubleshoot problems with their computers; I'm sure they won't find this particular task very difficult.

Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by russelg on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:38PM (#24500945)
All of these blockades are simple ISP-level DNS redirections. Simply changing your DNS to google or cloudflare or similar resolves this quite nicely, no VPN needed.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by wtf_is_up on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:13PM (#24500096)
Just as recent as yesterday I accessed TPB while connected to a VPN server located in Sweden.
Re:Red Dead Redemption 2 DRM still has not been cracked (316... by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:34PM (#24499351)
I don't think it's the obscurity of the website that is doing it these days. I have plenty of money so I haven't downloaded warez for a long time. But if I were even tempted the possibility of getting hit with embedded ransomware would completely deter me, my multiple offsite backups notwithstanding.