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Re:iOS 14 is available today by hnarn on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @05:25PM (#24498144)
It’s a step in the right direction, but honestly, what’s really the point when all browsers are just wrappers around Safari anyway.
Re:iOS 14 is available today by giovannibajo1 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @06:10PM (#24498590)
That’s a tech-centric view. For most people a browser is defined by its features like tab handling, account syncing, preferences, extensions, etc. Nobody cares about the HTML engine, only developers. The fact that it’s possible to change the default browser is an important user-level feature.
Re:iOS 14 is available today by gitua on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:33PM (#24499342)
It's true, but I think that's not the point. It's not because people don't care that it won't impact them.

Many people don't care about Privacy, Ecology, etc... yet it will have catastrophic consequences down the line.

Similarly here, yes it's true people don't care about the web engine, yet given Mozilla situation and Microsoft who switched to chromium, the web is seriously not in a good shape and it will have consequences on the long term.

Re:iOS 14 is available today by Spivak on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:25PM (#24500515)
I mean the most likely effect of iOS allowing alternative browsers is even more Chrome dominance than already currently exists. The fact that a major platform forces developers to not just stop once it works in Chrome is probably a net benefit at this point.
Re:iOS 14 is available today by dismantlethesun on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:45PM (#24508424)
Not really... for me, iOS is a hard target, because all the non-default browsers (Chrome, Brave, Firefox) interact in different ways with the underlying engine that Safari provides.

Bugs present in iOS browsers, won't be present in Android browsers even if the browser version is the same which makes debugging harder.

For example, it turns having 3 targets (Chrome, Firefox, Safari...) into 5 targets (Chrome Android, Chrome ioS, Firefox Android, Firefox iOS, Safari iOS).

Differences between mobile/desktop browser are relatively minor in comparison.

On the Chrome side, there's fragmentation from all the browser that just wrap Chrome like Samsung Internet and QQ, but those are greatly mitigated by having up to date apps or are region specific so won't apply if your business doesn't do business in China.

Re:iOS 14 is available today by gitua on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:58PM (#24507046)
Yes that's a fair point agreed . If every platform were like that then Mozilla would never have even existed, but Chrome gaining even more market wouldn't be great either
Re:iOS 14 is available today by sexpositivepriv on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:31PM (#24499809)
It is not remotely a tech centric view. People want things to work. Stuff doesn't work in Safari because it's missing features. User's also want to pay less. PWAs let companies skip the app store and therefore skip paying apple 30% of their transactions which means cheaper prices for users. If apple allowed other browser engines those engines would have PWA support.
Re:iOS 14 is available today by Razengan on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:26AM (#24502334)
> User's also want to pay less.

If that's all they wanted they would buy an Android.

> PWAs let companies skip the app store and therefore skip paying apple 30% of their transactions which means cheaper prices for users.

Exactly, this is what this is all about: companies wanting to milk users for more money and maximize their own profits, not that they actually care about the users.

Re:iOS 14 is available today by Razengan on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:23AM (#24502322)
> what’s really the point when all browsers are just wrappers around Safari anyway.

I think one of the reasons may be to enforce the global settings for parent controls and privacy etc. which would be hard with third-party engines.

Re:iOS 14 is available today by hnarn on Thursday September 17, 2020 @05:18AM (#24502610)
I'm just guessing here, but since Apple has pretty strict review requirements for apps in the app store, I assume they could list as a requirement that any browser app (or app with similar functionality) needs to hook into these Apple settings and process them correctly.