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Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:35PM (#24495030)
> I’d say a lot

Yet you didn’t name any. If that were the case, you should be able to name the equivalent web apps on Android that must be apps on iOS.

> Software is not suddenly without value just because it doesn’t make money.

So where are those “valuable” web apps on Android? Also revenue is the most objective way to measure value.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by pietrovismara on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @02:36PM (#24495851)
> Also revenue is the most objective way to measure value.

Nonsense. Wikipedia must be worthless for you? What about air? Do you feel you'd breathe with more satisfaction if someone was profiting from the air you breathe?

On the other hand, there's plenty of immensely profitable things that have negative value. Cigarettes? Oil? Weapons? Opioids? I could go on and on.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @02:45PM (#24495976)
And you still haven’t come up with a situation where a major developer was forced to make an iOS app and decided to be content with a PWA for Android customers.

“Value” has a definite meaning in economics. If someone is willing to pay for something, it has value to them.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by pietrovismara on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @03:09PM (#24496253)
I don't even care about iOS. I just despise your definition of value, since it's simply wrong and dangerous.
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @03:13PM (#24496300)
Whether you despise it or not. It’s the only objective measure that we have to ascertain the value that a population puts on an item.
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by pietrovismara on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @04:05PM (#24497051)
How can it be objective when every single individual would bid a different price for the same product, if asked without being shown the market price beforehand? It's all about perception and -my friend, I have bad news for you- perception is all but objective. Yes, perception of value can be manipulated through tools like marketing. That doesn't make the product itself anymore (or less) valuable than it actually is.
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @04:33PM (#24497466)
That’s the issue. Anyone could respond that they have an app that valuable to only them and their best friend.

What better choice do we have than to measure value across a population? How much value a population places on something based on how much they are willing to pay is objective. Whether that value is utilitarian or based on other factors is subjective.

Are we really arguing about basic supply and demand? Yes suppliers have methods to drive demand.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:50PM (#24495219)
> Yet you didn’t name any.

Reddit, Trello, Twitter. Probably Discord and Slack too.

I haven't used Android in years but I certainly don't see why these wouldn't work as web apps if you had push notifications. All the functionality is there.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @02:17PM (#24495585)
And none of those companies thought the web app was good enough to eschew native apps on Android. Why is that?
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by spiderfarmer on Thursday September 17, 2020 @05:15AM (#24502590)
Because they have the budgets to do both.

That's why you're asking the wrong question.

Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @06:54AM (#24503099)
Companies don’t just spend money because they “have the budget”.
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by spiderfarmer on Thursday September 17, 2020 @08:32AM (#24503802)
No but that doesn't refute my point, does it.
Re:Why is Apple acting like an asshole? by scarface74 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:02AM (#24504710)
What is your point? If the vast amount of the industry thought PWAs were good enough, they wouldn’t create Android apps when a web app would do.. Companies don’t just spend money needlessly.

You should see a proliferation of cases where companies create an iOS app and a web app for everyone else.