I don't think we actually disagree on _any_ of your points. I was merely explaining an alternative perspective that I can respect and acknowledge. I will note too that I got plenty of downvotes as well (without any response but yours I might add). You certainly can see that people will behave as such from both sides of the spectrum. There is no way in hell I am going to vote for Trump. I can just understand why people would. I might also add as a pro-life person it rings a bit hollow talking about newborn mistreatment (terrible though it might be) when our society can literally kill unborn babies on a whim. One can be pro-life (conservative) and pro-environment (liberal somehow?) in the same breath!