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Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by Joeri on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @06:23AM (#24491255)
Supposedly windows 10X will be that thing.

I have to say I find the settings / control panel dichotomy issue overblown. I rarely need to go into control panel anymore, and pretty much never without it being a clickthrough from the new settings app.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by ryneandal on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @12:16PM (#24494089)
> I have to say I find the settings / control panel dichotomy issue overblown

Agreed. The task bar search finds the setting I'm looking for about 99% of the time.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by harha on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @02:02PM (#24495367)
I usually do too, but then again I don't change settings all the time, so it's mostly initial set-up where I spend a while in the settings app or control panel and this is where the problems come together: 1. at least for my preferences there's just too much happening out of the box, e.g. "Explore", "Create", the whole Xbox business, all the notifications, the colors and design - so there's a lot I have to change so I'm not distracted all the time. 2. the number of menus and different places I need to go to to get my setup the way I want it and how inconsistent these are.

I could probably set up a custom image but I prefer to get the most recent build when setting up and would appreciate it being as clean and minimalistic as a fresh install of macOS (yes there are some things here too, but you have to look for it) or Linux. The plain Windows setup feels like how preinstalled systems used to be with all sorts of "helpful" apps that automatically start and make the system look "nice".

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by Alopis on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @06:27AM (#24491272)
I primarily care about how terrible the new settings window is and that it's a step back from the Control Panel in too many ways to ignore. What's with all the wasteful white space? What's with the inability to multi-task settings?
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by whereistimbo on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:24AM (#24491906)
Agree with the non-availability of multiwindow Settings, but the UI of Settings seems to mimic iOS and Android settings, which in my opinion, modern, simple, and familiar. The Control Panel UI seems so complex nowadays.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by harha on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:03AM (#24492267)
I don't think having a similar UI as mobile is very good for the user since the input mode is very different.

I think macOS does way better here with a minimal use of white space because I can easily have a browser open on the side to look up what I'm trying to change - though some things do appear a bit old school (e.g. networking).

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by whereistimbo on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:40AM (#24493142)
The Settings app in Windows works very well with mouse and the wasted whitespace only appears when it's maximized, the app was made to be responsive with several windows sizes.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by Alopis on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:59AM (#24493896)
Seems like you've never used it with a non-FHD screen. Or as a window. Because it absolutely wastes a ton of space. The sidebar on the right will disappear to the bottom, which is unnecessarily cut off because of the crazy large margins around everything. I don't understand why every page needs to be scrolled when the Control panel fit twice as much functionality into half or even a quarter of the space.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by aargh_aargh on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:06AM (#24491434)
Hate it as well. The obvious reason is the effort to have a unified interface that will support both pointer-based and touch-based devices.