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Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by superasn on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:33PM (#24484924)
Is a person who invests that money for-profit but makes giant advancements in maths/science while doing it an equally big giver?

Take for example, Elon musk. Even though he hasn't given monet away to charities like Chuck, his for-profit enterprises like electric cars, solar farms, spacex and possibly neuralink might just have been things that end up equally great for humanity.

So if you have billions I guess timtowtdi.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by zpeti on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:37PM (#24484983)
Also - does he actually "have money"?

Tesla and SpaceX don't make a profit or pay dividends. My guess is he finances his entire life from taking on debt which is secured against his stock.

So how exactly are people like him supposed to just give money away? What happens to the stock he owns then? Would he forgo control of his companies?

How would he pay taxes on that income anyway?

Lots of questions the billionaires-shouldn't-exist crowd have no concept of.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by pwinnski on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:11PM (#24486185)
He started out with a lot of money from his family's South African mining operations.

Your mockery is ill-directed, and in the context of a post about someone whose corporate wealth was able to be donated to charity, in really poor taste.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by zpeti on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @03:04AM (#24490246)
Yeah, because Elon is obviously where he is now because of family money... jesus christ.

Ever heard of Zip2 and Paypal?

Your resentment and jealousy based communist thinking is pretty ugly.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by pwinnski on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @12:21PM (#24494151)
Now you've added personal insults to your class mockery. Please, this sort of casual disregard of other people is not appropriate on HN.

Your initial claim was that he had no money apart from company stock, and lives entirely on debt. This is factually incorrect, as I pointed out: his family money predates all of his companies.

Attached to your factually-incorrect claim was a casual denigration of a group of people with whose beliefs you disagree. This was both misguided and unnecessary.

My factual statement in response was simply:

> He started out with a lot of money from his family's South African mining operations.

Based solely on that true statement of fact, you derided me, responding to claims I never made and labeling me and my "thinking" in inaccurate and insulting ways.

Please, stop.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by zpeti on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:15AM (#24513484)
If you are so good on facts, please point to some (other than speculation) that confirm your theory that Elon somehow benefitted from family money, or is currently living off family money not Tesla and SpaceX.

Your statement was extremely loaded, suggesting Elon's family somehow is part of his success. While our past is certainly part of us always, it is very loaded and complex. As is well known Elon's father was very abusive, committed crimes, and has just married his stepdaughter. Ask any psychologist and I think that is more a hindrance than an advantage in terms of family background.

I stand by the fact that anything implying Elon is successful because of his family money is a hugely far-left opinion, if not communist, and has its roots in your resentment for Elon's success.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by pwinnski on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:35AM (#24517289)
> I stand by the fact that anything implying Elon is successful because of his family money is a hugely far-left opinion, if not communist, and has its roots in your resentment for Elon's success.

This is not okay. Please, pursue empathy.

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by Can_Not on Friday September 18, 2020 @07:48PM (#24523027)
> anything implying Elon is successful because of his family money is a hugely far-left opinion, if not communist

TIL reality is communist

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by glacials on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:48PM (#24485145)
Bingo! Balance is key.

Farmers working under communist rule in China who started private farming caused agricultural productivity to skyrocket and the number of starving people to drop [1]. Say what you will about human greed, but aligning a behavior you want with a natural economic incentive is a powerful tool.

On the flipside, some industries like healthcare don't belong in such a ruthless system, because "voting with your wallet" is sometimes equivalent to "voting with your life". Other industries like scientific research have too long a lag time for the the companies to stay afloat, or for the decision makers to benefit from the decision. These industries are the ones that frequently need help from government, nonprofit, donors, etc.

[1]: https://reaction.life/chinese-capitalist-growth-happened-spi...

Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by frabbit on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @08:50PM (#24488454)
What giant advances has Elon Musk made in maths/science?
Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by superasn on Saturday September 19, 2020 @01:47PM (#24529189)
I'd say spacex is a pretty big leap forward in terms of advancements in science, maybe even maths. Same with neuralink that will help handicapped people to walk one day. Hopefully that knowledge will drive our whole human race forward
Re:Chuck Feeney Is Now Officially Broke by pckhoi on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:17PM (#24489229)
As long as the intention is to actually create wealth for the society as a whole as opposed to just making yourself rich, I don't see a problem to what Elon does.