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Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by jeffbee on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:37PM (#24483260)
This is one of those small-time landlord urban myths. Section 8 tenants stay for a _lot_ longer than average, and because of that they are systematically less likely to trash the place.

By comparison someone with a high income and a lot of assets is very, very likely to leave as soon as they can, meaning even if they don't trash the place you still have a higher vacancy cost (which is a landlord's main risk) and because of their wealth you'll never get anything out of them other than the deposit, because they have and can afford lawyers.

Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by manigandham on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:07PM (#24484508)
That's academic theory, not reality. The actual behaviors and background of the tenants is what makes the difference, and people who have higher income tend to pay their bills.

Also vacancy management is an entirely different problem than quality of tenants and how they treat the property. Turnover of good quality tenants is much better than bad quality tenants who stay trashing the place for years.

Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by kadabra9 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:14PM (#24483774)
Spoken like someone who has never actually rented to Section 8 tenants.
Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:41PM (#24483306)
Can you provide data to backup your assertion? My data points come from experience of myself and other large scale residential landlords (100s of doors, a mix between Florida and Midwest properties).

Personally, I will happily take vacancy risk over damage risk. Vacancy risk is limited by monthly burn (mine is low for each property), damage risk is much greater amount imho.

Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by jeffbee on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:53PM (#24483474)
HUD provides comprehensive data on length of tenancy for housing voucher program participants. https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/pdf/Lengt...
Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:01PM (#24483585)
This part:

> and because of that they are systematically less likely to trash the place.

Anecdotally, my data agrees with HUD that Section 8 tenants who don't damage the property stay longer (although Section 8 makes up a small percentage of our total tenant population, primarily in the northwestern Chicago suburbs). Our costs have been high when (intentional) damage is done though (sometimes tens of thousands of dollars), causing the property to be in the red for years after.

One of our Section 8 tenants in Aurora was a great tenant; their son moved back in after a stint in a correctional facility, altercations in the front yard occurred, culminating in a drive by shooting attempt (I have the receipts to repair the bullet holes in the siding and replacement of the front door). Per the jurisdiction's rental guidelines and lease addendum requirements, we were required to terminate the lease (the jurisdiction's requirements, not ours). We helped them relocate out of state at our own cost.

Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by jeffbee on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:19PM (#24483855)
There's nothing preventing any tenant from being related to criminals. The only thing shared in common among all housing voucher users is they can't afford housing. Imputing upon them as a class a tendency toward crime or other tendencies is the definition of prejudice.
Re:Landlord Tech Watch – What Is Landlord Tech? by toomuchtodo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:33PM (#24484082)
> There's nothing preventing any tenant from being related to criminals.

The jurisdiction I mention specifically has mandatory landlord classes and lease addendum requirements to aggressively inhibit the housing of anyone associated with criminal activity (which includes the tenant(s) being held liable for any criminal activity that takes place on the property where they're not the victim). Background checks are mandatory for all adult tenants. Lease agreements with the mandatory jurisdiction provided lease addendum must be submitted to the jurisdiction's rental management department ("Division of Property Standards") to receive a rental license. I take no issue if you receive vouchers; if you're a criminal or associate with them, I can't provide you with housing (in this jurisdiction), and it's grounds for eviction based on a preponderance of the evidence (no conviction required).

https://www.aurora-il.org/356/Crime-Free-Multi-Housing-Progr...

https://library.municode.com/il/aurora/codes/code_of_ordinan...

https://www.aurora-il.org/DocumentCenter/View/4677/New-Landl...