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Re:Talking is throwing fictional worlds at one another by jfengel on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:53AM (#24481863)
I've never understood why it was supposed to be so earth-shaking. Even if true, there's no reason that you have to use embedding. And human beings don't really parse via stacks: we can't parse many deeply center-embedded sentences and other garden path sentences even if they're "valid" under some context-free grammar.

That CFGs model so many languages so well is fascinating and puts constraints on the language faculty, but if some language happens to not use the full power of it, that shouldn't come as quite such a surprise. Semantics are not context-free and we know that the underlying brain mechanism is far more complicated than finite-state-machine-plus-stack.

A full study of Piraha would likely be illuminating if it really is as different from other languages as Everett says -- and it's practically useless to have him say only "It doesn't have feature X". Unless he can also show that a Piraha child can't learn another language -- that would really mean something.

The fact that linguists make a controversy out of it means I must be missing something, but I can't figure out what.

Re:Talking is throwing fictional worlds at one another by WaxProlix on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:16PM (#24484653)
My understanding is that Everett has done his best to make a controversy of it, with most linguists preferring to try to ignore him. Unfortunately that's hard when he's doing the Pinker jig, engaging in pop linguistics, etc. So people are forced to engage with it.

I generally agree; finding a language which opts not to use recursion would be a weird phenomenon, and might make certain claims about UG weaker. But it wouldn't invalidate all of traditional linguistic research for the past however many years or totally upend our current theoretical frameworks.