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Re:Project Oberon by doteka on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:25AM (#24478710)
What it is is irrelevant. How it presents itself to the user is exactly as a holistic, integrated, carefully designed computing ecosystem.

I’m a software engineer, I’m perfectly well aware iOS and MacOS run on top of a Unix kernel. But unless I go looking for it, they will never shove this in my face and make it my problem.

Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with Linux-loving colleagues who cannot get their sound or webcam to work reliably and consider this an acceptable state of affairs.

Re:Project Oberon by Reelin on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:38AM (#24479094)
> Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with Linux-loving colleagues who cannot get their sound or webcam to work reliably and consider this an acceptable state of affairs.

That's largely the fault of manufacturers who refuse to properly document their devices and release functional drivers. I don't think anyone considers that an acceptable state of affairs, merely tolerable if it allows using an open software stack that you can freely modify.

Re:Project Oberon by thu2111 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:57AM (#24482754)
It's the fault of the Linux kernel, which insists against all evidence that drivers aren't valuable IP that costs a lot of money to develop and that it should all be GPLd, meaning the manufacturers don't bother writing them for Linux.
Re:Project Oberon by rvense on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @08:45AM (#24480570)
> Meanwhile, I’m still dealing with Linux-loving colleagues who cannot get their sound or webcam to work reliably and consider this an acceptable state of affairs.

This isn't so much of an issue anymore in my experience. Older webcams and sound cards that work flawlessly with Linux often don't work with newer Windows versions, though.