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Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by bsder on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:32PM (#24477350)
> Never believe stories like this, measuring productivity is an impossible problem.

I totally disagree. That's the whole point of your manager and reviews.

In addition, JPMorgan isn't just programmers. It's a lot of people who talk to people and process paper--a LOT of paper. And they can quite clearly measure how much paper is being processed per person.

> Employees always figure out how to abuse productivity metrics.

That's a different problem from being able to see that productivity is up or down.

Now, the larger question is whether productivity is down because of work-from-home or productivity is down because the economy is in a complete shambles.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by andreilys on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:08AM (#24477788)
The review process is a complete sham. If you honestly believe it’s a measure of your productivity and not a post-hoc rationalization based on a restricted promo and bonus pool I have a bridge to sell you.

Most managers will think an employee who spends 10 hours working and 30 hours schmoozing/promoting their work is more productive than someone who spends 60 hours grinding the tasks given to them.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by bsder on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:10AM (#24478066)
> The review process is a complete sham.

It's a complete sham--up until the moment it's about to fire you.

Yeah, I've been in the "Look, that deadline is HARD. If you don't figure out how to do something useful by it, the whole GROUP, including me and you, are fired. So, are you gonna figure something out or should I fire you now and get someone else?"

That can wake you up, reeeaaaal quick.

> Most managers will think an employee who spends 10 hours working and 30 hours schmoozing/promoting their work is more productive than someone who spends 60 hours grinding the tasks given to them.

And you know what? The "schmoozer" might actually be more productive.

One of the articles on HN recently was about how senior people tend to avoid work that might get thrown away.

"Grinders" are useful, but they can also go grinding in the wrong direction or keep grinding on something that no longer needs to be done because conditions changed and they aren't paying attention. This is especially true if they get too irascible so nobody wants to talk to them.

The "schmoozer" might see that the assignment given doesn't quite match up with what the end customer (either internal or external) actually needs and adjust things appropriately. Or, perhaps, just delivers something "close enough" but takes a lot less time and makes the recipient happier.

As I became increasingly senior I spent far more time "schmoozing" than getting concrete engineering done.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by GeoAtreides on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:14AM (#24478656)
>"Look, that deadline is HARD. If you don't figure out how to do something useful by it, the whole GROUP, including me and you, are fired. So, are you gonna figure something out or should I fire you now and get someone else?"

The only sane reply is: "You can't fire me, I quit". First of all, this working env is toxic. I don't need this kind of stress and I can freely quit because I have life savings, like any other sane person. Second, now that deadline becomes impossible without me, not merely hard, good luck to the rest of the team. Third, I might not quit if you apologise right now.

But then again, I'm in Europe, where we have more rights than the Americans. YMMV.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by Nimitz14 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:49AM (#24479169)
Your narcissism is showing.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by WalterBright on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:43AM (#24477943)
It's smart for an employee to let the manager know what he's been doing. It's just like a business has to do some promotion or the business will fail - even great products don't sell themselves.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by jrochkind1 on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:02PM (#24477509)
Working somewhere where it's thought that 'whole point of my manager' is measuring my productivity sounds like a real nightmare.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by sgt101 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:19AM (#24478689)
>That's the whole point of your manager and reviews...process paper--a LOT of paper. And they can quite clearly measure how much paper is being processed...the economy is in a complete shambles.

And in one HN comment the whole problem with late stage capitalism is laid bare.