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Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by roywiggins on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:48PM (#24473637)
Ah, but they have an 'airtight' defense!

> "Nikola never stated its truck was driving under its own propulsion in the video," Nikola wrote. "Nikola described this third-party video on the Company’s social media as 'In Motion.' It was never described as 'under its own propulsion' or 'powertrain driven.'

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by snowwrestler on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:55PM (#24473734)
You laugh, but if we make this a matter of regulatory oversight, this sort of word parsing is exactly what every case will come down to.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by vlovich123 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:14PM (#24473934)
Or you just look through the communications surrounding this video during discovery to see if there was a pattern establishing intent to mislead investors.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by swivelmaster on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:37PM (#24474196)
Bingo. Subpoena their emails and undoubtedly their whole defense falls apart.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by Retric on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:57PM (#24474415)
The article suggested that it was more than just a video at issue. Milton said. "This thing fully functions and works, which is really incredible."

Further, internal emails not just public statements are often used to decide if something was intended to deceive or not.

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:15PM (#24474611)
There are 'reasonable person' laws all over. Maybe there should be one to apply here. Like 'unlimited* data' plans technically have fine print redefining the word unlimited, but a reasonable person will see the ad across the street and be misled.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by sellyme on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:07AM (#24478613)
Also even if it wasn't fine print, it's still comically illegal. Imagine someone saying "Our cereal cures cancer! Where cancer is defined as 'hunger'."
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by pbhjpbhj on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:57PM (#24474412)
Fraud is about intent. They intended to defraud, that's the salient fact.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by mbreese on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:23PM (#24474697)
They also stated that investors at the time were aware of the limitations. If that is true, then who would have been defrauded?

I’m not trying to defend them, but at that stage of the (private) company, if they were honest with investors then is there an issue? Where is that line? If they weren’t honest with them, then that’s a whole other story.

(And I’m not sure you can assume they were in fact honest with investors.)

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by jfoutz on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:34PM (#24474825)
NKLA I thought was around for a couple years. Maybe major shareholders were informed?
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by mbreese on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:41PM (#24474890)
Were they public or private at the time?

(Because if they were public, that would be a problem...)

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by jfoutz on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:03PM (#24475123)
let's see - "Nikola Motor Company stock ticker is NKLA. It went public on the NASDAQ on June 4, 2020." (random google search)

but the article indicates "When Nikola Motor Company founder Trevor Milton unveiled a prototype of the Nikola One truck in December 2016, he portrayed it as fully functional."

So there you go!

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by kempbellt on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:27PM (#24474096)
In other words "I'm not touching you..." but the adult version.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by xkjkls on Monday September 14, 2020 @02:53PM (#24473704)
tbh thats probably legalistically enough for them to avoid getting sued

But the very idea that "yeah, you're right on all the facts, its just that we didn't really 'lie'" isn't a great defense of the business

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by lordnacho on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:03PM (#24473820)
The law normally considers what a reasonable person would think, doesn't it? Who would think it was anything other than moving under its own power?
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by xkjkls on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:12PM (#24473916)
It depends on the circumstance. In the case of an investor, there's much more assumed due diligence than just "what a reasonable person would think".
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by lordnacho on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:43PM (#24474256)
If the guy shows you a video, are you gonna actually ask him whether it was what it looks like?

I guess you ought to kick the tyres on the real thing though.

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by awb on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:00PM (#24474446)
Investors are supposed to conduct their own due diligence which could include talking to the engineers or setting up a demo under mutually agreed conditions at which point the difference between "in motion" and "driving" would be uncovered.

It's definitely not a good look though.

Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by duskwuff on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:13PM (#24477252)
Context matters too. No reasonable person would expect a company to post a promotional video of their vehicle "in motion" just to show off that it has wheels that can roll.
Re:Nikola admits prototype was rolling downhill in promotion... by valuearb on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:07PM (#24475171)
The CEO directly said it was a working truck at the time. Today’s press release is skirting that fact.