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Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by zepto on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:01PM (#24472441)
Do you think he’s just lying about it?

When I was a younger worker I certainly did slack off on Friday and Monday when I could get away with it.

I’ve worked in more than one office where people started drinking on Friday afternoon in the office when the CEO was out of town.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by nsriv on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:55PM (#24476088)
You're right in that most office workers take Monday to get going and wind down on Friday, but Jamie Dimon is the guy that lied in Congressional testimony multiple times, so that's equally likely.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by zepto on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:20PM (#24483049)
It’s not equally likely unless you think 50% of statements Dimon makes are lies.

If you do think that, it would be an interesting and unusual claim worthy of analysis, but it’s certainly not a reasonable assumption without such analysis.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by nsriv on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:39PM (#24486441)
I think he's not a dispassionate observer of WFH trends. Lies have an underlying motive, and he's shown before that he is willing to lie in high-stakes testimony to avoid a negative outcome. Dimon's WFH assertion was made to analysts, and in his role as a leader at JPMorgan, presumably for a positive motive (market sentiment, boost morale, ensure a return to normalcy). This wasn't an off-the-cuff observation. By equally likely I mean he was in a situation with a clear motivation so the likelihoods are between truth and falsehood. In that frame, 50% is generous.

Edit: the above does preclude the idea that "truth" can have a motive behind it as well, but I don't particularly think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by ghaff on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:09PM (#24472540)
>Do you think he’s just lying about it?

Not really. But the general impression from the piece is that he has various less-quantified reasons for wanting more people back to the office and slacker younger workers does seem like a convenient excuse -- especially if there's some truth to it (which is entirely possible). FWIW, if I were in my twenties at this time, I'm not sure I would trust myself to keep plugging away.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by toomuchtodo on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:54PM (#24476076)
I’m in my 30s and I personally have a hard time being productive when the world is literally and metaphorically on fire and plague stricken. Being in an office would not change this.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by dv_dt on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:57PM (#24476092)
Being in an office would make me more distracted imho. Between wondering if the ventilation is giving me covid from careless co-workers, to being more separate from family and home should another disaster crop up.

Edit: careless not carless ... lol

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by dmoy on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:19PM (#24476237)
Right now I'd pay good money for corporate HVAC. I'm coughing myself to death in my own home right now
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by shard on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:37PM (#24476374)
If this is because of high PM2.5 concentration (due to wildfires or otherwise), I suggest building a DIY air filter, such as the one in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH5APw_SLUU

When the Air Quality Index shot up to ~150 in my area (you want to keep it below 100, preferably below 50), I went to Home Depot and bought box fans and furnace filters and built my own.

You can check the air quality in your area on this site: https://aqicn.org

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by dmoy on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:41PM (#24485028)
Thanks I do have a fairly good filter for one room in the house, where I'm holed up. Just when I have to venture out for food and stuff, I either wear a mask in the house or just cough.

The AQI in my area is closer to 300 :(

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by Swizec on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:14PM (#24476202)
I’m in my early 30’s and honestly the world has been on fire since always. First the Balkan wars next door when I was a kid, then 9/11, then Afghanistan, then ISIS, then Trump, then Covid.

Fuck it, I can’t think about all that. Focus on what’s in your sphere of control and ignore the rest.

March pulled me back into a vicious news cycle after I learned to ignore the news 10+ years ago. It was terrible.

Now I’m back to mostly ignoring the news and life is better.

PS: this is the core teaching of stoicism, focus on what you can control and don’t worry about what you can’t

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by chiefalchemist on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:24PM (#24476268)
Lying? He's saying what he needs to say to print more money. He didn't say it was _only_ the younger employees, did he?

He's not a goal. He's got a narrative. Is anyone going to question him? And wreck their career?

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by jrochkind1 on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:10PM (#24477541)
Yes, I think we call that "lying".
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:42AM (#24481081)
I was simply noting that one person's lie is another person's "motivating speech."

I was also noting that not being 100% transparent typically gets called deception or propaganda.

Mr D singled out the younger employees but he was also careful not to say it was them and only them. Calling out everyone would be a bad move for moral. So he sliced his "facts" a bit in order to meet his ends. That's deception, and not fraud per se.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by zepto on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:22PM (#24483083)
Except it’s not really deception - it’s just a true statement.

It’s only ‘throwing younger people under the bus’ if you use it to support a pre-existing narrative that he isn’t actually making.

Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by chiefalchemist on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:02AM (#24491759)
We don't know if it true. We have to trust him. And that's not wise given his track record.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by MrMorden on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:12AM (#24478076)
He wouldn't need to be lying to be blind to data that doesn't fit the desired conclusion or to torture the data until they confess.
Re:At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at ... by vertbhrtn on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:26PM (#24476282)
As a senior manager, he's a professional liar first.