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Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by fxtentacle on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:53AM (#24468730)
I don't think they can block China from using ARM cores. They can sue or try to make it illegal to import the resulting products into the US, but I'm not sure how well that will work.

But in any case, I'm 100% sure that someone somewhere in China has a copy of the current ARM designs, so they will be able to continue to produce them for their domestic market no matter what happens.

Yes, that might make their products counterfeit ARM cores. But I'm not sure anyone will actually care.

Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by kome on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:09AM (#24468824)
More likely this will create another HarmonyOS moment, where Huawei had to come up with a replacement for Android.

Chinese industry and government will start to invest heavily on a homemade CPU architecture.

And just by the force of the sheer numbers of their internal market + strict protectionism, they can succeed.

Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by onepointsixC on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:10PM (#24471831)
They can succeed in the internal market using the same government assistance and non market forces they always have. The question is the global market and will the Chinese firewall seal them inside.
Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by blackrock on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:27PM (#24472031)
The global market needs China, in order to be profitable, and to succeed.

I wonder if China will say that the manufacturing of all ARM devices in China will be illegal. Then those companies will scramble to shift their manufacturing out of China, thereby increasing their own costs for everyone, then bankrupting themselves in the process.

Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by thu2111 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @05:15AM (#24479299)
Eh, the global market succeeded and was profitable back when China was almost entirely sealed off from the world. The global internet market succeeds and is wildly profitable despite being mostly locked out of China by the firewall.

I wonder if China will say that the manufacturing of all ARM devices in China will be illegal.

CPUs aren't manufactured in China to begin with. Ditto for many other of the complex components of electronic devices. China handles final assembly and the parts that are easier to make.

If you're proposing China forbidding the manufacture of any electronic device that contains an ARM core anywhere physically inside it, sure, they could do that. They'd gut their own economy and risk an uprising given how much their "legitimacy" relies on economic success. Assembly of electronic devices is easily moved around, some of it is already moving to cheaper places like Vietnam simply because Chinese labour has been getting more expensive over time as the country develops. Which is cheaper: packing up and relocating a factory to a country with lower labour costs and a significantly less aggressive government, OR, redesigning your entire product and (for phones/TVs) breaking compatibility with huge numbers of your apps to strip out ARM in favour of something significantly less performant? Moving the factories will always win that comparison.

Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by starfallg on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:19PM (#24472631)
Only if they are willing to rewrite or reinterpret laws, but then again this is the CCP, they "interpreted" a part of Hong Kong's basic law to mean opposite to the literal text.
Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by nix23 on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:16AM (#24468867)
Well then they just go with Mips or RiscV, probably the way to go for other Hardware manufacturers too (Hello Apple)
Re:Nvidia's Arm deal sparks quick backlash in chip industry by rdsnsca on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:28AM (#24470536)
Apple has a perpetual license to the ARM ISA, this sale does not affect that.