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Re:Signs of Life discovered on Venus and atmosphere by TeMPOraL on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:55AM (#24468446)
> Those are both several orders of magnitude away from the quantities needed to produce effects observable at interstellar distances. (...) our detection methods aren't yet up to the challenge. Basic information theory suggests that they may never be.

Not really true. There are more signs of life than just radio waves. One - like in the article - is chemistry. Planets that seem to be very far from chemical equilibrium are objects of interest, as this may imply there is a complex system that's actively fighting entropy. I.e. life. For instance, aliens with powerful telescopes and good understanding of geology could conclude Earth has life on it by observing it keeps a surprising amount of oxygen in the atmosphere, where it should have already oxidized everything instead.

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Re:Signs of Life discovered on Venus and atmosphere by CamperBob2 on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:14PM (#24473938)
Yes, really true. Look at how hard it was to establish the presence of the PH3 absorption line on the planet right next door. We are not able to make that kind of observation on extrasolar planets yet, at least not beyond very rudimentary levels. Hopefully someday, but certainly not now.

Admittedly Earth's oxygen signature would be a lot easier to detect than a minute quantity of PH3 on Venus. But we wouldn't have been able to look for that either until just a few years ago. Even to a seasoned RF engineer, ALMA and JCMT are indistinguishable from magic.

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Re:Signs of Life discovered on Venus and atmosphere by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:21AM (#24478387)
Fair enough. What I'm saying is that detecting anomalous chemical composition of exoplanet atmospheres seems almost reachable with our current capabilities, and - unlike radio signals - is an indicator we can't really hide. So aliens slightly more advanced than us could be looking at that.
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