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Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by ogre_codes on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:31PM (#24461957)
> Apple is even worse. There is a singular service, there’s, and using it costs $100/year.

You say this like it's some egregious burden. Compared to the cost of building an app and shipping it $100/ year is a fraction of a drop in the bucket. It's less than 1 developer hour.

If you are capable of building an app with push service, the cost is trivial. If you aren't capable, it's irrelevant.

Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by banachtarski on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:40PM (#24462038)
$100 is actually a really big deal in developing countries and lower-income areas. How many of us started working on software to experiment with for free growing up? Arbitrary cost barriers like this are honestly an impediment to learning, and in my opinion, even harmful to Apple in this case. Why wouldn't they want more people to learn iOS programming and Swift programming.
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by ogre_codes on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:46PM (#24462081)
The cost to learn to program on Apple's platforms is the cost of an iPad or Mac. The $99/ year is only required if you want to deploy an app to the App Store or use Apple's cloud services.
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by creativeCak3 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:29PM (#24462456)
I will get downvoted for saying this, but I don't care: STOP defending Apple. The amount of egregious things Apple has done over the years is amazing. Not only do they charge developers for publishing apps EVERY year, but they also make up arbitrary rules in the name of "Privacy" or "Better user experience". Oh Please. You want to give people Privacy? Use open protocols for your shitty iCloud so that people KNOW just how much data you are are giving your Siri-shit voice assistant. Want better user Experience? Let me transfer music and ebooks to MY iPhone without having to use your joke of software called iTunes. And trust me, I used to be a big fan of theirs. But after they started glueing everything to their "computers", I had a wake-up call. The macbook used to be a great product, and then they started glueing everything to it and shoving the iCloud into it. Slowly, they killed their own product.

So please, stop defending them. They are doing really shitty things that will just become stains in computing history.

Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by ogre_codes on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:51PM (#24462599)
I'm not "defending Apple" here, I'm pointing out simple economics. A typical app costs upwards of $50,000 in developer time to build. Even if you are building your own app, we're talking about a person with valuable skills investing months of their personal time. This idea that for a typical developer $99 is a huge burden is just not an issue.

This is true if you love Apple or hate them deep in your soul for a million burning reasons.

Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by sofixa on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:29AM (#24481560)
And not everyone lives in the US. How much do you think it costs in USD for an app developer in a developing country to create an app, and how much is that $99/year as a percent of yearly income?
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by banachtarski on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @04:03AM (#24490539)
The ability to just develop and deploy experiments to the wild was one of the greatest propellants of my career when I was younger though.

If I started my career in the current era, there is no chance I would have been able to afford to develop in the Apple ecosystem (not just yearly subscription, which is crazy to me, but also the cost of the hardware as you point out).

Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by creativeCak3 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @03:04PM (#24463097)
That's fair. I see your point.
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by dm33tri on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:08PM (#24462290)
You can use a mac from school or work and iPhones/iPads are as low as $300-$400. But paying $100 just for trying to publish an app is not worth it for many people. Android and Windows stores have lower and regionally adjusted prices.
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by admax88q on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:05PM (#24462264)
Older versions of those can be picked up second hand for cheaper, or sometimes free if you repair somebody else's discarded device.

Theres no market of second hand developer licenses.

Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by beisner on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:48PM (#24462105)
This is true enough in the US, but is prohibitively expensive in a ton of markets worldwide (maybe half the world population). Then again, the requirement to have a Mac to develop iOS apps is even more financially onerous...
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by kevindong on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:53PM (#24462146)
The $100/year barrier may be tough to overcome in large portions of the world, but those portions of the world are not where iPhones are popular.
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by hal9000-tng on Sunday September 13, 2020 @04:18PM (#24463644)
People shouldn't be allowed to develop on devices they can't afford?
Re:Fuck Cloud Messaging by swiley on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:36AM (#24468630)
It is egregious because most FOSS maintainers aren’t going to pay it. I’m not going to pay it for things I develop in my free time either.

Why the hell do I have to pay $100 a year to use a computer I own? Why are you defending this!?!