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Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:06AM (#24460942)
It's also fairly trivial to see that it's possible to destroy some companies this way simply by noting that some companies succeed and some companies fail, which implies that there exist companies at the margin whose success or failure depends on things like financing availability or interest rates.

Moreover, companies in that position are exactly those with the greatest profit potential for short sellers. Companies that are obviously going to succeed or already have aren't likely to decline in value in the near future. Companies that are obviously going to fail will have declined in value already.

The largest opportunity for short sellers is when there is that uncertainty, because then you have a company walking a tightrope and there are people willing to bet that they make it to the other side. The short sellers can take their money and then give the company a hard shove and hope that it makes them fall.

Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by itsoktocry on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:14AM (#24461360)
>The largest opportunity for short sellers is when there is that uncertainty, because then you have a company walking a tightrope and there are people willing to bet that they make it to the other side.

Provide an example of this happening.

Judging by many of these comments, I'm not sure some people here understand the mechanics of how selling shares short actually works. It does not, defacto, destroy any value in the company.

Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:34PM (#24462498)
> Provide an example of this happening.

There's a pretty good case that they were trying to do this to Tesla. We heard all these claims about how nobody was really buying their cars and so on, which turned out to be bullocks, but were being made at a time when they were in a precarious financing situation.

But the general problem with asking for examples is that nobody has the inside information necessary to verify them. I can point to any company that went bankrupt following negative media coverage at the behest of short sellers, but how is anybody supposed to prove whether or not they would have survived in the alternative?

> Judging by many of these comments, I'm not sure some people here understand the mechanics of how selling shares short actually works. It does not, defacto, destroy any value in the company.

Are you sure you know how short selling works? Short sellers borrow shares in the company and then sell them, which temporarily increases the supply of shares on the market and suppresses the price. If the company at that point issues new shares or wants to borrow money against the value of their stock, it costs them money, i.e. reduces access to capital or requires them to pay higher interest rates, which negatively impacts the business.

And that's just the result of the actual short selling, not including the reputational harm caused by false allegations (or over-hyped technically true allegations), which can reduce demand from not only investors but the business's customers.

Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by samizdis on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:01PM (#24462221)
There's also a nicely written Forbes piece [1] from January, which focuses on the then-current Tesla situation, but which also references the Bill Ackman v Herbalife short battle.

Another, perhaps ultimate, persuader of the value to markets/investors of short-selling would be Michael Lewis's book, The Big Short [2]. An often overlooked point about short-selling is that it is frequently done, and it was certainly so in this case, in demonstration of utter conviction that the masses are being duped; rather than as some calculated bet against a single company.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/amiyatoshpurnanandam/2020/01/13...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Short

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Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by dasudasu on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:42PM (#24462047)
Lots of companies finance themselves by debt or stock offerings, this being especially relevant in distressed situations. There has to be a buyer on the other side. Short selling, even if not accompanied by short reports, is visible to market participants.
Re:Nikola Denies 'Fraud' Allegations, Threatens Legal Action... by easytiger on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:23AM (#24461425)
If anything it promotes good corporate behaviour. See Steinhof as a good recent example of a company outed for fraud on an industrial scale by a professional short seller