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Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by Aerroon on Sunday September 13, 2020 @05:45AM (#24459669)
I think it's more of a case of "most electronics and everything that runs on it is not made in Europe". I'm a European posting on an American company's forum using a browser made in the US running on an operating system made by an American company running on a phone designed and built in China with components made in a variety of countries that aren't in Europe. The same goes for using a desktop PC. Even most of the websites you end up using aren't made in Europe.

And that's talking about the things that are already there. Looking into the future I don't see anything technology related on the horizon either.

The main technological thing that isn't like that is cars, but even there EVs from Tesla appear more innovative.

Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by mattalex on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:21AM (#24460668)
I think that comparing only the technology sector gives a wrong perspective on the amount of research being done: According to the National Science Foundation of the USA https://ncses.nsf.gov/pubs/nsb20206/publication-output-by-re... The EU actually produces more research papers than China or the US. (of course that isn't a perfect metric, but it's still an indicator)

I think that many people conflate "innovation" with "big companies" which isn't the case: You don't need a google/Apple/Facebook equivalent to innovate (and having such towering companies may hurt in the long run, but wether or not big "googlesque" companies are a good thing is an entirely different question)

There are also a lot of unknown companies that have huge influence on the overall market by being global leaders in very narrow non-consumer facing areas, so called "hidden champions". These companies have become more important due to globalisation. To give a concrete example: While your phone wasn't built in the EU, odds are that it was at least partially produced with machines by ASML, a company that produces lithography machines for ~80% of chip manufacturers.

Also, due to this site here literally being "hackernews" and the pervasiveness of digital systems in normal life, we are getting a pretty skewd look at the industry as a whole: For example, the biggest chemical company in the world is BASF, a european company and the chemical company Bayer now owns a majority share of agricultural chemistry.

Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by srtjstjsj on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:21PM (#24462396)
Also EU has Airbus, and the US imports its civil engineering (tunnels, trains, and huge machinery) from Europe
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by ainiriand on Sunday September 13, 2020 @05:58AM (#24459732)
Linux was developed by finnish guy and the www protocol was developed by a brit.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by realityking on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:25AM (#24460381)
Interesting that you picked two examples where the innovation wasn’t commercialized and the innovator did not become rich. I suspect there‘s some cultural aspect to that.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by nicoburns on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:50AM (#24460837)
IMO this is a big difference: I'd actually feel quit bad about becoming rich off th back oef a technology or innovation that I could have made more open and widely available.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by srtjstjsj on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:24PM (#24462425)
Would you say Windows is not widely available?
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by SSLy on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:56PM (#24462173)
Uhm, Linus makes seven figures.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by srtjstjsj on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:21PM (#24462408)
And his nearest peers made 10 figures.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by warrenq on Sunday September 13, 2020 @06:31AM (#24459893)
30 years ago and 40 years ago, respectively
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by lixtra on Sunday September 13, 2020 @07:17AM (#24460082)
30 years ago you would have said that Microsoft dominates and www is a niche thing. And Turing was already 50 years ago.

It’s likely that something significant is going on in Europe that we don’t know about yet.

Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by srtjstjsj on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:23PM (#24462415)
It's easy to point to hundred-billion dollar projects in the US from the last 20 years.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by pas on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:57PM (#24462638)
LHC at CERN (Switzerland), XFEL at DESY in Hamburg (Germany), ITER in France, etc. (probably all have a lot of non-EU funding though)

The EU Horizon 2020 budget is 70 billion EUR, spent over basically 6 years. Around 80 billion is now being spent as post-pandemic stimulus, but less than what was proposed by the Commission.

That said, you're probably right that US pumps hundreds of billions into "innovation" (let's say R&D) whereas it's just a hundred for the EU.

Fortunately the EU is catching up, but alas it's not because it's so aggressively allocating more for R&D, though the trend is positive, but the US' trend is at best flat, maybe even negative: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... (Of course these are GDP percentages, and since the US' economy is bigger, the absolute numbers are a lot bigger for the US. And that's why even though Japan's percentage looks best, their absolute amount is below what the EU spends on R&D.)

Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by koyote on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:06AM (#24460285)
Your phone's CPU was designed in the UK! (alas Arm are now owned by a Japanese company)
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by occamschainsaw on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:21AM (#24461414)
To be owned by an American company (NVIDIA)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-12/nvidia-is...

Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by Zigurd on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:49AM (#24460831)
Actually it originated in a joint venture of Apple, VLSI Technology, and Acorn.
Re:Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on inn... by kps on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:34PM (#24466506)
That's the company ARM. The processor had been developed five years previously by Acorn.