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Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by danielrhodes on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:11PM (#24455206)
Outside of the pandemic, I think a company doing remote/WFH carries with it some implications people don’t seem to talk about - namely that your physical workspace and equipment used is capital, and the company is not compensating employees for the use of that capital. If a company does not need to maintain office space, that is a huge expense they don’t have to pay for - but an employee is paying for it.

Right now you can see this in the real estate markets - people are moving out of their smaller city apartments into bigger places, partially I’m sure, because maintaining an office at home requires extra space. But that cost is on the employee not the employer.

Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by ergocoder on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:32PM (#24455379)
IMO, this is one of the least concerning things with WFH.

It's just another trade off. That isn't hard for many people who prefer working from home.

Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by danielrhodes on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:33PM (#24457724)
I certainly agree with you when it comes to individuals who have chosen to be remote either temporarily or permanently. It goes under the radar. But if a significant portion of your workforce is working remotely, it looks different.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by tima11234 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:39PM (#24455440)
Remote work at tech companies isn't something completely new, it just wasn't the norm. The good companies compensate employees for internet and hardware.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by dvtrn on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:00PM (#24455621)
I wonder if anyone has done a survey about the specifics of company support during WFH.

“Does your company allow you to expense a portion or all of your internet?” Type inquiries. I’m often uploading and downloading large assets to our and our client systems, would be happy to fill out an allowable expense report if the company would pick up even a third of my Internet bill (course I have a feeling such a thing will never happen)

Anyone know? Curious to read the results if such a thing exists.

Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by zrail on Saturday September 12, 2020 @07:40PM (#24456882)
My company pays a good chunk for startup expenses for remotes but so far we haven’t convinced them to pick up the tab for internet.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by tima11234 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:50PM (#24457835)
My company is discussing some internet stipend. I'm all for it, it would be silly to say no to more money.

However, I would have internet whether I worked from home or not. I realize some people may need to upgrade their internet plans, but this probably doesn't apply to most.

Also, if you go outside the company bus shuttle bubble, companies never paid people all the commuting expenses that people incurred. Some _might_ give you a few bucks, but that rarely covers parking, gas, full public transport passes, wear and tear on your car, etc.

Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by danielrhodes on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:35PM (#24457738)
What would the company say if you asked them to compensate you for the square footage of your apartment that you exclusively dedicate to work activities. ;-) In the same vein, the IRS lets independent contractors write off the square footage of their home that is dedicated to work.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by sjy on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:47PM (#24455517)
Companies don’t compensate employees for the cost of their commute either. I don’t see the big deal here; the marginal cost of working from home is often pretty close to zero.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by ck425 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:38AM (#24460763)
It's really not. The costs of commuting and wfh vary dramatically between individuals.

In my case I have no commuting costs, I run or walk to work. Hell it's actually slightly cheaper as I showered at work 5 days a week.

The costs of wfh during winter however are massive as I live in an old northerly city where well insulated flats simply don't exist. Plus my flat is mostly one room, with massive windows and has electric heating. There's no affordable way to insulate it and heating it an extra 8 hours a day will cost £80-100 a month.

Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by sjy on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:21PM (#24465665)
Thanks for the numbers. I’ve never lived somewhere cold enough to make it noticeably more expensive to stay at home all day, but now you’ve got me wondering if the cost of WFH would be more noticeable if I had air conditioning. I’m sure the cost is also significant for normal people who don’t consider a desktop computer and fast home internet a basic utility.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by mmcnl on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:52PM (#24456175)
They do actually. Maybe not where you live, but where I live it's normal (and expected) that employers compensate for commute.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by sjy on Sunday September 13, 2020 @05:42AM (#24459651)
Interesting, I haven’t heard of this. Is it like a fixed allowance or based on the employee’s actual costs? How does it work for cyclists and others with cheap commutes? Here in Australia we have various special allowances for some jobs, and it is normal for the employer to fund work-related travel during the day, but it’s not normal for employers to pay for the cost of commuting to a regular office job.
Re:Why do so many people want us back in the office? by jlokier on Sunday September 13, 2020 @06:21PM (#24464414)
Where I live, companies often provide a loan for a train season ticket (about £6k/year), but you're still expected to pay for it yourself in the end.

Separately, the tax office does not allow employees or contractors to treat commutes as a tax-deductible expense. The cost of going to a non-habitual workplace is expensable, but not a regular commute.