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Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by reaperducer on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:03PM (#24454622)
To the public, it looks like another "It depends on what the meaning of the word β€˜is’ is."

The general public hates lawyers. But it hates weasels even more. And CEOs acting like weasels even more than that. That's why congressional hearings are sometimes delightful to watch. It feeds our hatred of CEO "others."

There are plenty of CEOs who can talk to lawyers, even in a public forum, and do it well. Splitting hairs never looks good. It makes you look guilty.

Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by meowface on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:15PM (#24454746)
Gates wasn't splitting hairs there, though. "Concerned about" could mean "concerned about as potential competitors we need to pay attention to", "concerned about as potential competitors who might gain more market share than us", "concerned about as potential competitors we might need to stifle", "concerned about as a potential danger to our browser monopoly", "concerned about as potential competitors who might develop features users want which we should also look into developing", etc.

Any company offering a product could be said to have executives who are concerned about competing products. It could range from malicious, anti-competitive behavior to simply wanting to provide a good experience.

That's why Gates wanted the lawyer to use less charged, ambiguous language. I personally believe he was engaging in unethical anti-competitive behavior, but you're going to have to nail him on it fair and square, rather than playing word tricks with him.

>The general public hates lawyers. But it hates weasels even more. And CEOs acting like weasels even more than that.

The lawyer was the one employing weasel words, there, by definition [1]. "Paying attention to" or "aware of" would be a much more fair and clear phrase.

>Splitting hairs never looks good. It makes you look guilty.

Yes, and the lawyer was probably aware of that and deliberately exploiting the ability to create such a perception. Either you fall into the trap and later are pointed to as sounding guilty, or you demand rigor and sound guilty in the moment. It's a double bind.

[1] Oxford definition of "weasel words": "words or statements that are intentionally ambiguous or misleading."

Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by reaperducer on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:34PM (#24454902)
You can act like a weasel and not employ weasel words. They're two different concepts. Nobody stated that Mr. Gates was using weasel words.
Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by function_seven on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:03PM (#24455138)
On the contrary, he's making sure that Boies isn't going to weasel meaning into his responses. Demanding that questions be more precisely-worded than they are.
Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by Beldin on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:19PM (#24455279)
> Gates wasn't splitting hairs there, though. "Concerned about" could mean...

That's why I think he should have taken his own interpersonal and forced that through.

Which browser was he concerned about? Internet Explorer. Why? Because it's their product - in the browser space, that one is literally his main concern.

Evoking a "That's not what i meant" response comes across rather differently than the wordplay shown here. And having the attorney narrow the question to sth like "but out of IE's competitors, which one concerns you?" is the open door you're looking for.

("None really concern me in any sense of the word.", etc.)

Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by zeroimpl on Saturday September 12, 2020 @09:17PM (#24457369)
The question cleverly prevented that - it said "non-Microsoft browsers"
Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by Beldin on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:54AM (#24461228)
Missed that. I stand corrected.
Re:Revisiting the spectacular failure that was the Bill Gate... by narwally on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:38PM (#24454939)
Even in the Clinton case there was a good reason he was asking for clarification. In his grand jury testimony he had stated "There's nothing going on between us." If 'there is' is interpreted as 'there is currently', then the statement is truthful; if it is interpreted as 'there is and has always been', then the statement is false.

Similarly, his statement "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" wasn't technically a lie in the context of the case. The investigation lawyers had textualized the definition of 'sexual relations' to be limited to PIV sexual intercorse, which he hadn't engaged in. So in a legal context his statement of not having 'sexaal relations' and his admission to having an 'improper physical relationship', were in no way contradictory.

However, when you take the statements out of that context and put them in the context of public opinion, it appears to be a bold faced lie. The more you play the game, the worse it looks outside of that context.