Is there any evidence of high mortality around ebikes?

I think they have a higher mortality in countries where regular bikes are more common because the elderly use them to get back on the streets again.

In the Netherlands the introduction of ebikes (limited to 25kph) has caused a spike in bike traffic deaths because many elderly people are brittle and don't have the response times they used to have, causing dangerous situations even at relatively low speeds.

Those mortality rates only really affect the drivers of the electric bikes though. AFAIK there's no increase in deaths because of drivers hitting others. After all, an electric bike, even going at high speed, is just a silent motor bike that any driver using their mirrors should be able to detect anyway.

I think increased dead rate for the elderly largely is because they remain mobile for longer.

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/road-fatalitie...:

“The number of people over the age of 70 was 1.5 million in 1999 while there were 2.3 million early 2019, an increase of 56%! Partially helped by e-bikes (which are not more dangerous than ordinary bicycles) this much larger group of elderly people cycles more often and further, which is unfortunately reflected in the fatality rate.”

Technological improvements that have helped increase safety of e-bicycles for the elderly are weight decrease because of battery improvements and lower centers of gravity (mid-drive electric bicycles are becoming more common). Both help decrease the number of deadly accidents not involving other traffic.

It's a lot harder to seriously injure someone with an e-bike as apposed to a car or motorcycle. Simply physics since the weight is a lot lower

> immigrants from cultures that DGAF about human life

Just out of pure curiosity, what `cultures' are these?

Some (maybe only slightly related or relevant) background:

In Germany, there is a pretty serious problem with dangerous driving and street racing: In the last ten or so years, there has been long string of downtown races that have killed numerous innocent bystanders in all major German cities.

This went so far that recently the German law has been changed and killing somebody while participating in a street race is now treated as "first degree murder". This year, the first conviction under this law was upheld by the German "supreme court". Still, street racing is on the rise.

Now, the uncomfortable truth is that the demographics of the offenders skew towards young German men that do not consider themselves to be culturally German or even European.

I am not trying to enter a debate on the how much value different cultures place on life.

What I am trying to do is to point out that when you consider how the human mind works, it is almost inevitable that these issues are starting to appear to be interlinked. What you have here is a very hot debate on road safety, which is already a topic that is very emotionally charged for a lot of people. Considering that there does actually seem to be a cultural correlation, it is somewhat predictable, if sad, that the public debate around here is now slowly starting to turn into an cultural/ethnic argument.

My personal opinion is that we need a massive crackdown on street racing and dangerous driving to prevent this topic from turning into yet another ethnic fault line in Germany.

I'm with you... Once in Thailand I was shocked that nobody on mopeds wears a helmet. My conclusion was that the people doesn't value their lives high enough. Sadly, I don't know how to put it differently. I don't know if this is culture, education, or what.

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenape might say an initial wave of dutch culture, rapidly supplanted, after the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Dutch_Wars, by english culture.

(I am guessing adjectival phrases such as dutch uncle, dutch oven, dutch treat, etc. gained currency during that period.)

Are you literally quoting a 18th century event as a reason for bad driving practices in 2020?

I thought it was a fairly obvious joke, pointing out that there's no such thing as an immigration wave killing people in NYC through electric bikes.

I'm suggesting that people in what is now NYC have probably been kvetching about all the (dangerous!) newcomers since at least the seventeenth.

Bonus track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH1fERC_504 (have you heard the one about the chinese waiter? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms-9qOXKAkE )

    We're drawing the line,
    So keep your noses hidden!
    We're hanging a sign
    Says "Visitors Forbidden,"
    And we aren't kidding!

In my experience bikers from Germany, Netherlands and Belgium DGAF about human life.

it's a set that defines itself, the title is descriptive.