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Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by slavik81 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @08:31AM (#24431655)
I saw a figure[1] the other day that blew me away. If you exclude pets and livestock, then human beings comprise ~90% of all mammals (by weight).

All wild whales, bears, lions, deer, moose, mice, rabbits, wild horses, camels, beavers, buffalo, elephants, tigers, rhinos, chimpanzees, pandas, goats, etc... are in that remaining 10%.

[1]: https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/29/17386112/al...

Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday September 10, 2020 @09:51AM (#24432339)
That's because we've spent several millennia figuring out how to live more and more densely and we do the same with our livestock.

If beavers invented a lifestyle that enabled them to live at densities up to thousands per square mile they'd compromise a hell of a lot of biomass too.

The fact that there's more humans doesn't imply anything about the other animal population (though I suspect that it's not good for the other animals though).

Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by duck on Thursday September 10, 2020 @12:25PM (#24433788)
I recently listened to a great podcast talking about beavers and it mentioned some population stats for North America (can't recall the numbers now). Beavers are right behind humans in terms of how they have shaped the land.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-wild-episode-4

Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by michael1999 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @10:53AM (#24432891)
You need to include our food production spaces when talking about population density for that to be a fair comparison. Our urban density is mirrored (and supported) by the sparseness of our farmland.
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday September 10, 2020 @12:02PM (#24433546)
a) Counting areas where resources come from get complicated quick. Are you gonna count the ocean because the grizzly bear eats the salmon? Do Nile crocodiles get their population density counted based on the entire watershed they depend on?

b)There are about 50 people per square kilometer of land. Even adjusted for farmland humans are still gonna blow every other large predator out of the water. Even if you include commercial fisheries that still blows every other large predator out of the water. Maybe there's a couple seasonal localized concentrations of certain predators that are higher but nothing else comes close to that number.

Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by MiroF on Thursday September 10, 2020 @12:35PM (#24433904)
Yeah but it's still clearly way better than wild animals of comparable mass
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by yesenadam on Thursday September 10, 2020 @08:50AM (#24431820)
A kind of similar xkcd diagram of Earth's Land Mammals by Weight https://xkcd.com/1338/ - there's hardly any wild animals, comparatively.
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by Petrova on Thursday September 10, 2020 @11:28AM (#24433226)
I've always wondered why horses are not used as livestock since they can also produce milk and have commercial use as well such plowing fields or transportation.
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by lonelyasacloud on Thursday September 10, 2020 @11:46AM (#24433396)
Eating horse meat has a long history and is still part of the culture in many places e.g. Mongolia, France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_mea
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by Funes- on Thursday September 10, 2020 @11:44AM (#24433378)
Mare milk is consumed and commercialized [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumis.

Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by hcarvalhoalves on Thursday September 10, 2020 @11:53AM (#24433459)
Re:Animal Populations Fell by 68% in 50 Years and It’s Getti... by slavik81 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @03:06PM (#24435510)
Agent Smith is generally one of my favourite parts of The Matrix, but his speech is factually incorrect. Plenty of mammals will multiply until they run out of food.

I worry quite a bit about the habitat distruction necessary to comfortably sustain 7–10 B people, but the comparisons to a virus and the implied moral judgment have always seemed off-base. Nature doesn't care if we destroy everything. I care.