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Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by hansihe on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:53PM (#24427369)
As far as I understand it near-field effects stop being relevant at a couple of wavelengths away from the transmitter. For 2.4ghz that would give you what, a meter of distance?

Can you link me to reading material explaining how an antenna can have no sidelobes?

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by zaroth on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:26PM (#24428609)
Near-field is only a few wavelengths away when the antenna itself is a half wavelength in dimension. Otherwise you would calculate the size of the near field as a function of the physical dimension of the antenna and the wavelength: r2 = 2d^2/λ.

E.g. The radiating near field of a 2.4GHz antenna about 8 meters long would extend about 1km.

[1] - https://www.giangrandi.org/electronics/anttool/regions.shtml

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by hansihe on Thursday September 10, 2020 @12:55AM (#24429009)
Thanks for clearing that up!
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:33PM (#24427642)
search up beam forming, phased arrays, collimated beams and metamaterial based beam guides
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by hansihe on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:03AM (#24429047)
Right, but even a phased array will give you sidelobes, it's only a question about reducing them, right? Your claim that there are no sidelobes at all seems a bit dubious to me.

Or is there some metamaterial "magic" going on even at the transmitter that I'm not accounting for?

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:27AM (#24429153)
:)) no magic, just solid engineering. There will always be sidle-lobes. The question is how much and what do you do with it.
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by jbay808 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:52AM (#24429288)
> There will always be sidle-lobes.

Right, and anybody who knows enough to ask you about sidelobes likely also knows enough to know that too.

That's why, if you reply that "there are no sidelobes" you're only harming your own credibility.

A good reply is something like "there are sidelobes, but they peak at -{believable number} dB and are contained to within {small area}. We believe this is more than sufficient to address sidelobe concerns because of {standards}".

That's a reply that earns trust.

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Thursday September 10, 2020 @05:29PM (#24436755)
You are right of course. Point taken. Thanks :)
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by fit2rule on Thursday September 10, 2020 @09:10AM (#24431988)
Reads more like he doesn't want to tell you what he's doing with the sidelobes, in case you DO get it.

Whereas the question-train you're on is at a pretty interrogative clip ..

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by jjoonathan on Thursday September 10, 2020 @02:46PM (#24435319)
"I'm not disclosing basic performance metrics because you might reverse engineer my secret sauce from the basic performance metrics"? Really? Seems unlikely.
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by fit2rule on Friday September 11, 2020 @02:16AM (#24439690)
"I'm not gonna discuss the finer details with people on HN who are more than likely able to exploit the same discoveries if I share too much .."

Very feasible.

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by jjoonathan on Friday September 11, 2020 @11:16AM (#24443715)
These aren't finer details, they're basic metrics.

Hypothesis A: they don't want to share basic performance metrics because they contain special secret sauce!

Hypothesis B: they don't want to share basic performance metrics because they suck.

We'll see!

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by bufferoverflow on Friday September 11, 2020 @03:49PM (#24446608)
A few comments above you said:

> There are no sidelobes