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Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by saberience on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:01AM (#24421768)
The fact that there is no actual methodology published for how this index of popularity is actually generated makes me highly sceptical of the whole idea.

All Tiobe (who make these ratings) say is: "Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings."

What does this mean? What algorithm is used? If they expect these ratings to be taken seriously they should open source the methodology and data-sets and put their reasonings for why this data plus this algorithm gives a meaningful result.

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by mumblemumble on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:28AM (#24422081)
Basically, they count the number of hits returned by a search for "{language} programming" across a wide variety of search engines and websites, and rank the languages according to which one yields the most hits.

It is an interesting metric, but I just can't bring myself to see it as the measure of popularity that it is presented as. The number of page hits for a language is a function of many things. Popularity is one. Others include age, complexity, and how confusing/difficult-to-learn the language or its libraries are. I'm guessing there's a marketability angle, too - for economic reasons, there may not be as many codepoints being poured onto languages whose users are less likely to purchase commercial tools or consulting services.

I can think of no better illustration of this than the 5th, 6th and 7th places in this month's rankings. Does anyone really believe that JavaScript is only the 7th most popular programming language these days? Does anyone really believe that both C# and Visual Basic are more popular than JavaScript? If you take the TIOBE score as just a measure of popularity, it would seem to suggest that .NET developers are collectively over 3 times as numerous as JavaScript developers.

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by shagie on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:42AM (#24422225)
> It is an interesting metric, but I just can't bring myself to see it as the measure of popularity that it is presented as.

It has been gamed in the past. For example, http://delphi.org/2008/10/the-many-faces-of-delphi/ and http://delphi.org/2008/10/delphi-keeps-climbing/

There have been other blips in the past caused by documentation for a project getting moved to a different server and in doing so the SEO for the material (inadvertently) changed.

TIOBE measures the SEO for different programming languages, nothing more.

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by gamblor956 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:34AM (#24422136)
C# and VB are very heavily used by businesses.

Outside of the tech bubble it's believable that JavaScript isn't as popular.

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by mumblemumble on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:20PM (#24422604)
They are, but I don't know many C# and VB developers who aren't also using JavaScript. Just flogging your enterprise apps together in WinForms isn't so viable now that people want to be able to use MacBooks at work, too.
Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by gamblor956 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:26PM (#24423403)
C# and .Net are multi-platform, and have been for at least a decade.

Javascript is useful for websites. And outside of the tech bubble, that's basically all it's good for.

Yes, you can use Javascript for non-website stuff. But nobody is doing that because there are many cheaper and more efficient languages out there for doing all that other stuff.

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by Weebs on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:49PM (#24422933)
We use JS but that code base is significantly smaller than our .NET base.

I can only imagine there's a ton of massive ASP.NET MVC + a bit of jQuery internal apps still chugging along too

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by zserge on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:07AM (#24421846)
They provide some additional information, but not the exact algorithm: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-defi...
Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by jimbokun on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:18AM (#24421973)
The "Ratings" paragraph at the end seems detailed enough that you could reproduce their results for yourself?
Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by abought on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:07AM (#24421848)
How granular is this?

Does that imply that a major news event (such as, say, a new language version) could drive perceived "popularity" simply by people reading/writing articles to evaluate it?

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by brzozowski on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:24AM (#24422037)
> The fact that there is no actual methodology published for how this index of popularity is actually generated makes me highly sceptical of the whole idea.

As soon as a metric becomes a target...

Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by pulse7 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:04AM (#24421808)
Google doesn't reveal their search methodology and everybody is using it and taking it seriously...
Re:C++ was the fastest growing programming language in Sept ... by saberience on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:08AM (#24421860)
Google isn't saying their search means something is "better" or more popular though. If I search google for "restaurants near me" it shows me restaurants near my current location, or a link to Yelp etc which then relies on reviews by humans.

If someone is telling me: "This index of 'top' programming languages is meaningful" I want to understand how said index is generated, because obviously there is a massive human element. You could make indexes like this which show Haskell is the top programming language if you used certain data points and similarly you could make Rust the top language if you used a different set of data points. It's totally open to authorial biases.