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Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by tambourine_man on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:13PM (#24416095)
That’s a problem that no WYSIWYG has been able to solve yet. It’s probably an unavoidable abstraction leakage.

Hence the unbelievable popularity of markdown.

Imagine telling your 90s self your current machine configuration and how awesome it is. Then explain that we, with all this tech, voluntarily chose to type in plaintext format, with notations that kind of work as a more readable form of markup language, because we got fed up trying to make WYSIWYG work.

Oh yes, and GUIs are for noobs, pros use terminal emulators, but that’s another topic :)

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by Lio on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @03:23AM (#24418251)
My 90s self had already been using GUIs since the 80s courtesy of systems like Acorn RiscOS, Amiga, MacOS and even Windows 2.

The thing is I still enjoyed using quality DOS and Unix terminal software.

GUIs are not the one true way to represent a UI. They’re not even new technology any more.

They’re just different and better suited to certain tasks but not others.

It’s like asking why are we still using steering wheels to drive instead of speech recognition?

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by mst on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:48PM (#24422917)
I miss Impression Style on RiscOS.

I also miss extending the supervisor prompt with BBC BASIC and arm26 ASM though :D

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by Lio on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @08:20AM (#24480359)
Totally, I loved the combination of Impression Style and Artworks.
Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by madhadron on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:15PM (#24422537)
> That’s a problem that no WYSIWYG has been able to solve yet. It’s probably an unavoidable abstraction leakage.

I think it comes from conflating layout with writing. In QuarkXPress or InDesign it really isn't an issue. Those tools are quite uncomfortable for sitting to write in, though.

LyX does a decent job of this, I think, though it's not exactly WYSIWYG.

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by tambourine_man on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:47PM (#24427320)
You’re probably onto something.

There’s also an issue with black box language vs something like HTML, which has semantic value besides pure presentational function.

I don’t care if the auto generated PostScript is ugly as long as the printed work is perfect.

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by btilly on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:26PM (#24422675)
My 90s self had experienced both LaTeX and Microsoft Word. I fled from Visual Basic to vi and Perl.

I would have been easy to convince.

Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by projektfu on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:08AM (#24421865)
FrameMaker had this stuff figured out.
Re:Is anybody still using Windows 95? by tambourine_man on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:44PM (#24427293)
You don’t deal with PostScript directly. PostScript is akin to assembly.