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Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by j_walter on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:51PM (#24415006)
"There needs to be a redistribution of esteem as well as money, and more of it needs to go to the millions doing work that does not require a college degree."

I could not agree more with this statement. There are far too many people that believe they are better than other people because of their job title, education or wealth. Too many university educated people think that because they have a degree that they are smarter than everyone else and their opinion needs to be accepted as fact. I'm not sure if this is what is being taught in universities or if this is what society is telling them...but we would all be better off if we tried understanding other's viewpoints.

No one lives without the contributions of others anymore...no one.

Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by sul_tasto on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:11PM (#24415606)
I’ll be interested to hear who you decide to send a portion of your paycheck to every month.
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by stubish on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:15AM (#24417390)
This is called charity. It turns out voluntary charity by individuals isn't enough to redistribute enough worth from the wealthy minority to the poor majority. Charity as a system is only really capable of keeping the poor majority from rebelling. To make it work, sending a portion of your paycheck every month needs to be mandated, and we call that taxation.
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by sul_tasto on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:03AM (#24419328)
I always thought taxation should be for services that benefit the common good: utilities, first responder services, roads, food safety, etc. Are we being taxed as a way to prevent an uprising against the 1%?
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by harimau777 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:31PM (#24427986)
One of society's purposes is also to ensure that all of its members are provided for. That's basically the exchange: contribute to society and society will make sure that your needs are met.

Therefore, I would say that taking a portion from those who have an excess and giving it to those who do not have enough is within the legitimate role of society.

Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by XMPPwocky on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:39PM (#24416319)
I think you may have replied to the wrong comment - parent didn't mention anything about sending somebody a portion of their paycheck each month. Maybe a different thread?
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by manjana on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @12:14AM (#24417062)
>"There needs to be a redistribution of esteem as well as money, and more of it needs to go to the millions doing work that does not require a college degree."

I could not agree more with this statement.<

Money has to come from someone's paycheck, hence the redistribution of money mentioned.

Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by defterGoose on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:03AM (#24417313)
Sure, I'll bite. It should come from the paychecks of people like CEOs who have gone from making 30x the average worker to 900x in the past 70 years.
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by j_walter on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:23PM (#24423357)
You also need to consider that 70 years ago there weren't giant global companies with 100K+ employees like Apple or Amazon. CEOs of companies with < 1K employees are probably still making 30x the average worker. Unfortunately most studies I see of these things are written by authors that seem to have a political point to make and are not unbiased. It would be interesting to see the comparison though.
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by doonesbury on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:58PM (#24426901)
A prof of econ stigler (Nobel laureate) made a decent argument that the discrepancy arose with the a movement somewhere in the 60-70s (US) I believe that corporations do the best good by increasing shareholder value measured by stocks and options on same. That's an important factor in real wage growth discrepancy.
Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by defterGoose on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:54PM (#24428128)
I mean, that's simply not true. In 1955, GM had 576,000. US steel: 268,000. GE: 210,000. If the number of companies with huge amounts of employees has ballooned, well that could easily be a function simply of population growth.

I think the argument you're trying to make is that CEO's of larger companies should make more money comparatively. That may be true (you want the best people in charge of the most people), but you would expect that wage growth to be more linear in number of employees, rather than exponential.

The point is, no C level executive has squared their performance metric, at least not in an individually attributable way, and especially if you consider the negative externalities those "performance gains" have introduced.

Re:The populist backlash has been a revolt against the tyran... by sul_tasto on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:55AM (#24419272)
I completely agree with you. My concern is that most of the super rich are effectively out of reach, because of their ability to shelter their wealth and income. If memory serves, most of the more recent progressive policy proposals involve raising taxes on the middle and upper middle classes, despite what the political candidates claimed.