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Re:Fast.ai and why Python is not the future of ML with Jerem... by nl on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:09AM (#24408500)
And yet... no widely used DL library is in Julia, and they are all in Python.

It's kind of a silly point to try to score: "it's possible to write an efficient deep learning library in Julia (although no one has done it yet), and yes, you can do the same in Numpy in Python, and XLA in Python will outpeform it, but someone else wrote some C/C++ there to make that possible!"

You are much more likely to want to write CUDA kernels (in C!) than you are to write C framework code to interface with Python for machine learning.

The person is looking to "get into ML". I've been working as a professional ML developer for 6 years, and I've never written any C or C++ for it.

Re:Fast.ai and why Python is not the future of ML with Jerem... by BadInformatics on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:33AM (#24409408)
> although no one has done it yet

This may be generally true (though the benchmarks I've seen show Knet.jl and sometimes Flux.jl on par with TF/PyTorch with a single machine + single GPU), but there are definitely domains where it is categorically not. The most prominent one is neural *DEs, where the SciML [1] ecosystem has SOTA performance. You can really see Python/C++-based frameworks struggle here because they have slow "glue code" and don't (one could argue can't effectively) optimize for latency. That's not a problem for most CV models and transformers, but really stunts research into more dynamic approaches.

[1] https://sciml.ai/

Re:Fast.ai and why Python is not the future of ML with Jerem... by nl on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:35PM (#24414393)
This sounds more like it's a new field.

I started looking for benchmarks (because it sounds like the kind of thing JAX would do well) and the very first link I clicked included:

Wraps for common C/Fortran methods like Sundials and Hairer's radau

which is exactly what was claimed wasn't needed.

Re:Fast.ai and why Python is not the future of ML with Jerem... by ChrisRackauckas on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @04:19AM (#24418651)
>I started looking for benchmarks (because it sounds like the kind of thing JAX would do well)

Currently Jax has an in-progress stiff ODE solver that's about 200x slower than SciPy

https://github.com/google/jax/issues/3686#issuecomment-65709...

and SciPy (with JIT) is about 50x-100x slower than the pure Julia methods

https://benchmarks.sciml.ai/html/MultiLanguage/wrapper_packa...

so Jax has more than a little bit of a way to go.

Re:Fast.ai and why Python is not the future of ML with Jerem... by amkkma on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:27PM (#24415287)
Those aren't needed, but they are options. "he templated implementation allows arbitrary array and number types to be compatible, giving compatibility with arbitrary precision floating point numbers, GPU-based computations, unit-checked arithmetic, and other features. "

Those are exactly the things wrapping fortran and c won't give you