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Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by pjc50 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:48AM (#24406810)
The facts change: the charges against him were dropped/timed out in Sweden, and then the US started an extradition request.

The idea that it was harder to extradite him to the US from the UK than from Sweden, and that the extradition to Sweden was a pretext, was a very odd one - a priori I would have said it was the other way round.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by belorn on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:15AM (#24406940)
You have switched the time stamps. The US started their extradition request and then Sweden dropped the case. The exact date was on 2 May 2019 when the first hearing was held in London into the United States request for Assange's extradition. The Swedish prosecution announced that their 7 years investigation had been dropped on 19 November 2019.
Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by acqq on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:23AM (#24406986)
As far as I remember, Sweden did deliver to the US certain wanted people practically without a court procedure (or with less than it's certain it would be needed in the UK). It's not that Sweden or the UK would not deliver somebody to the US, it's that in the UK the procedure is more complex. Apparently, the US would have needed to fulfill less formalities to get him from Sweden, and that is what Assange worried about. But as he spent enough time in the embassy, that advantage of Sweden became irrelevant.
Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by chippy on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:19AM (#24407291)
>I seem to recall a whole bunch of people arguing that Assange wasn't going to be extradited to the United States once they extracted him from the embassy.

Were you one of the people that said he wouldn't be extradited to the US?

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by sneak on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:35AM (#24407062)
There were never any charges in Sweden. Please do not propagate this false belief.
Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by Gwypaas on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:47AM (#24407447)
This is simply basic differences between how different justice systems operate. He was as formally charged as you get in Sweden until the investigation was dropped, only using different words.

Assange was arrested in his absence and wanted for questioning in relation to accusations against him of rape and sexual molestation. This was the first step in the criminal prosecution procedure in Sweden, and only after the questioning would the prosecution authority be able to formally indict him.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_...

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by monocasa on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:59AM (#24407522)
He was then questioned on Nov 14, 2016, and still not charged.
Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by foldr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:43AM (#24407815)
He couldn't be formally charged under the Swedish system because he wasn't in Sweden. (And yes, I know that in principle the Swedish authorities could probably have figured out some way to try him in absentia, but they chose not to because it would have been pointless, and they are perfectly free to make that decision.)

Everyone repeating this nonsense should just take the time to read the British High Court judgment, which sets it all out very clearly.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by justsee on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:36AM (#24408179)
It's important to remember the Swedish authorities were never interested in testimony from Assange.

It's worth reading this interview [1] with Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on torture, which reveals in shocking detail the level of manipulation around this entire case.

As Melzer says "You just have to look at how the case was run: For Sweden, it was never about the interests of the two women."

[1] https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by foldr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @09:39AM (#24408204)
The Swedish prosecutors wanted to try Assange on rape charges. Their actions were geared towards getting that to happen. Merely having Assange "testify", outside of a courtroom setting, would not necessarily have furthered that goal.

I do not see how that conflicts with the interests of the two women.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by justsee on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:09AM (#24408499)
Actually it's clear from Melzer's thorough investigation, where he reviewed the entire case material, including original Swedish documents, that this was an operation to frame Assange and extradite him to the US – and nothing to do with the two women, who were very clearly pawns in the process.

It's really worth reading the interview closely to understand how thoroughly justice has been perverted in numerous countries to get at someone who revealed horrendous crimes.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by foldr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:12AM (#24408541)
I'm aware of the existence of such conspiracy theories. To me, the simpler and more plausible explanation is that Assange did what the women accused him of doing.
Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by justsee on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:36AM (#24408805)
Melzer goes into detail about how the women didn't accuse him of rape.

It's worth engaging in the facts on this issue, rather than gripping onto a received narrative in dismissive fashion, and the interview really goes into significant detail, including behind-the-scenes behaviour of Sweden that Melzer was privy to as UN Special Rapporteur on torture.

It's one of those articles where people go in with the perspective you show here, and come out the end of it stunned by the truth of Assange's unjust treatment.

In fact Melzer starts out by stating he began with the same attitude, initially refusing the case as "My impression, largely influenced by the media, was also colored by the prejudice that Julian Assange was somehow guilty and that he wanted to manipulate me."

It is probably one of the best summaries of his case I've read, from a highly credible, independent investigator:

https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by foldr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:48AM (#24408940)
He was accused of initiating sex without using a condom following an explicit request for him to use a condom. The High Court judged that this action certainly constituted rape under UK law. It is also a crime under Swedish law (though I don't know how different levels of sexual assault / rape are classified in Sweden).

It's always surprising to see just how grubby Assange's defenders are willing to get, up to and including rape apologism.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by justsee on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:35AM (#24409434)
There's a demonstrated lack of understanding around important details of this case in your responses.

The accusation you raise is a key part of the interview with Melzer.

The original witness statement was intentionally destroyed, and the supervisor of the policewoman who conducted the questioning wrote an email telling her to rewrite the statement.

(The original copies of the mail exchanges between the Swedish police are actually displayed in the article.)

The statement that forms the basis of that claim "was edited without the involvement of the woman in question and it wasn’t signed by her. It is a manipulated piece of evidence out of which the Swedish authorities then constructed a story of rape."

As to your attempted lazy smearing – it doesn't really do you any favours here.

As a final plea, perhaps read-up on the details so you can get a better understanding of the case:

https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikilea...

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by foldr on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:59AM (#24409669)
The key evidence comes from text messages and testimony from people other than the two alleged victims.

If indeed this evidence was all fabricated (I doubt it, but who knows), then the best venue for evaluating that claim would have been a Swedish court.

Now we will never really know exactly how strong the case was. But it was strong enough to justify bringing Assange to trial, and he has done himself no favours by hiding in an embassy for seven years.

Re:Assange Hearing Day 6 by nsajko on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:19AM (#24419763)
For the record: Nils Melzer is full of shit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22209868