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Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by nemothekid on Monday September 07, 2020 @11:42AM (#24400147)
>I'm just curious as to how replacing a battery doesn't fall under right to repair. It's probably one of the simplest 'repairs' you can make to a battery powered device.

I think the GP is making an important distinction in the technical aspects of the law in order to ensure that this legalislation doesn't create an undue burden on manufacturers and the government that would get this bill killed easily.

What does it mean for the government to regulate that a device must have a user replaceable battery? Does that mean the device must use phillips head? A clip on pack? What about the battery? Does the battery size have to be standardized? Must it use AA batteries? Any of these will make our current devices inoperable. Likewise if we just take the standards today and encode them into law, we could be crippling devices in the future. I don't think it's a pedantic point - when you say "replaceable", it also means by ""whom"? You the user? You can't assume everyone is as technically sound as you - if grandma can't replace her battery then does the manufacturer fall into hot water?

Next, why stop at the battery? Almost every device has some sort of radio that if rendered inoperable would brick the device, just like a battery. Does this bill now mean that the radio of every device now has to be user replaceable? Standardized? Modular? It's easy to see how such a bill is must more hairer than a law that just says "Provide documentation, and don't add legal restrictions on repair".

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by fomine3 on Monday September 07, 2020 @08:59PM (#24404251)
Batteries are designed to be degraded so it's good start to get repair rights.
Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by grawprog on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:12PM (#24400824)
>What does it mean for the government to regulate that a device must have a user replaceable battery?

Seems pretty simple...

'Manufacturers must not knowingly make batteries inaccessible and irreplaceable without standardly available tools'

Your whole post is just quibbling and semantics making what is a pretty clear issue to be more complicated than it is.

Again, it's been standard for years and years for batteries to be contained below a cover that can be either pulled off or screwed off.

Trying to act like a phone is somehow more complicated and all these factors matter and some poor device manufacturer might sued because grandma can't take her battery out is....

So much disingenuous corporate lawyer babble bullshit.

>Next, why stop at the battery? Almost every device has some sort of radio that if rendered inoperable would brick the device, just like a battery.

You're absolutely right. I should be able to replace the individual components of my phone, the way I can replace components in my computer, car, bike, stove, most of my appliances, my guitar, nearly everything else I own to be honest. I completely agree with you.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by nemothekid on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:16AM (#24406279)
>So much disingenuous corporate lawyer babble bullshit.

Surprise, surprise, that is exactly what you sign up for when you ask the government to get involved. Who do you think is going to write up these laws? What are standardly available tools? Who defines the standard? What defines inaccessible? If you are going to make a law these things have to be defined, or else Apple will just pay $10MM to a lobbyist to make sure that Apple iScrew is a standard. If you make it too strict, some troll will sue will you for everything because grandma couldn't reasonably repair the device.