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Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by dbcurtis on Sunday September 06, 2020 @11:47AM (#24392147)
That argument is a lot harder to sell since the Korea and Viet Nam wars. Not that I disagree with you. China does need to be reigned in, and we should have started years ago. But the leadership of the USA was mostly of draftable age during the Viet Nam war, or, like me, did their grade school homework in front of the TV news with Walter Cronkite reading the daily body count.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by hnarn on Sunday September 06, 2020 @11:59AM (#24392233)
Nobody in their right mind is arguing for a land based invasion of China, so this argument is completely moving the goal posts. It's not either-or, there are many ways to pressure a nation without military intervention.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by dbcurtis on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:22PM (#24392417)
True, but this is the ancient rhetoric almost word-for-word. The words are triggering for those of certain generations.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by thaumasiotes on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:03PM (#24392787)
> China does need to be rei[]ned in, and we should have started years ago.

Why? What would the benefit be? What would the benefit have been?

Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by treeman79 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:24PM (#24392940)
Perhaps avoiding Millions be put in camps and used as cheap source of organ harvesting.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by shirakawasuna on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:25PM (#24393484)
Claims literally spread by the Falun Gong cult, Adrian Zenz, and NED-funded groups citing both.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by stjohnswarts on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:30AM (#24396817)
Claims confirmed by western journalists as well.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by RustyBucket on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:34PM (#24393029)
This is a weak argument: Should USA be reigned in as well to avoid millions be put in prisons and used a cheap source of labor?
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by ramshorns on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:15PM (#24393389)
Yes.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by seanmcdirmid on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:20PM (#24393437)
Sounds good to me.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by TheOperator on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:46PM (#24393631)
Sure
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by treeman79 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:44PM (#24393124)
Wow, comparing punishing people that Commit crimes to wholesale genocide and organ harvesting.
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by bsanr2 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:18PM (#24392383)
But the same generation was in power when we launched our twenty-year War on Terror, and the comparisons to Vietnam that started popping up a decade and a half ago didn't manifest in any sort of wariness to move forward and keep moving forward with our attempted "regime change." If anything, it's that which has changed our willingness to step forward militarily. The conclusion is that we spent our war capital on frivolous quagmires when real threats were looming but not being taken seriously.

See also: cointel on BLM while white supremacists plan and execute with freely. Team America: World Police reflecting our actual police.

Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by dbcurtis on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:24PM (#24392436)
The war on terror was not about containing communism. It could not be labeled and dismissed as “anti-communist hysteria”
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by srtjstjsj on Sunday September 06, 2020 @01:07PM (#24392813)
It was anti-Islamist hysteria. What's the difference?
Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by dbcurtis on Sunday September 06, 2020 @02:04PM (#24393290)
The difference is which generation the rhetoric triggers.
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Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by bsanr2 on Monday September 07, 2020 @09:16AM (#24399215)
The victims of Western-backed dictators, American regime change campaigns, and the crushing poverty caused by austerity mandates, economic sanctions, and predatory international capital investment terms would like to have a word with you.

Also, victims of the Atlantic Slave Trade, anti-union riots, and lax labor safety law. I get that Mao is a high hurdle to pass but I think we've done it and then some.

Re:Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life by bsanr2 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:39PM (#24392570)
It was about extending capitalism (well, democracy morally and structurally enabling capitalistic integration of ME into the global market), and also an extension of Cold War jockeying, which was anti-communist (and arguably hysteria).