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Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by marricks on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:09PM (#24386081)
I mean, do you like that those people get off now if they’re powerful? Or if a cop decides to do that either nothing happens or they get let go with a million dollar pension?

At least in a flat society you’d have an equal say to advocate for w/e you thought is just.

Personally for me, and many others who lean left, prison or death doesn’t sit right because it doesn’t address the root of the problem and it’s often used to quash dissent. This is perhaps what you find unsatisfying but if you were magically placed into an anarchist community you’d have more ability to advocate for what you thought was fair.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bufferoverflow on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:01PM (#24386455)
Who are these people who we have evidence for such crimes and are let go?

Just don't pretend like killings of career criminals resisting arrest (like George Floyd) is what we're talking about.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bbarnett on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:27PM (#24386228)
Holy whataboutism!

With no laws, no police, no jails, no courts, and no justice system, everyone on of those incredibly evil people mention in the prior comment goes 100% free to continue their reign of terror.

Yet, of course, that's exactly the same as some people who slip through the cracks of a justice system that catches many such people a year. Prosecutes them with attempts to be fair. Puts them in jail so they can't hurt others.

Yup. Because someone might slip through the cracks, well.. that's precisely the same as what the prior poster said!

What a false equivalency.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by marricks on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:33PM (#24386288)
I mean sure in a society where no one holds anyone accountable that would happen. That’s not what anyone is actually advocating for.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bbarnett on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:39PM (#24386689)
You cannot just give people stern looks.

The end result is, you need to be able to use violence, against those willing to use it against you. Note, that can be a last step, but without it?

Those who care not about stern looks, "talking tos", or cold shoulders will literally take everything you have, and kill everyone.

So now you fall to mob rule, lynchings, and what? Power of the strong man?

As soon as you organize, to provide for a response to organized thugs/criminals/rapists/murderers, you now have a government. That's how governments came into creation ; shared defense.

And you need that 24x7. And the people doing it for the community need to be paid. And you need a way to judge, and sentence, and on and on and on.

You cannot simply wave this away.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bena on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:26PM (#24386964)
Thank you. Government is the logical conclusion of anarchy. The minute you have two people who want to do something together, you need rules.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by natmaka on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:08AM (#24388891)
Why can't they establish their cooperation rules between them, using existing static material (contract templates...) if they want to, without any third-party (for example a government) being mandatory?
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bena on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:28AM (#24391550)
First, who enforces the contract?

Second, it doesn't really matter. Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by natmaka on Monday September 07, 2020 @04:28AM (#24397652)
> who enforces the contract?

In any healthy small community everyone tries to, in order to keep a good reputation. In case of misunderstanding any third party appreciated by both parties may act as a judge/referee. The need for a government, especially central, only arises when the group isn't anymore a community but a large set of (on average) loosely related and interacting persons.

> Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination

Coordination nor politics doesn't imply any government.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bufferoverflow on Monday September 07, 2020 @06:27AM (#24398348)
And thus you invented government. As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch. And then you will need the police to enforce the decisions of that judge/referee.

And then when you start having insane judges who rule that raping a child is perfectly fine, you will want to stop it, and thus you will invent your standardized laws.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by natmaka on Monday September 07, 2020 @07:09AM (#24398547)
> As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch

There IMHO is major differences between "a single government, dedicated to regulate" (which attracts people willing to control others, often letting the most unscrupulous gain power) and "any chosen third party".

Where most people are most of the time reasonable they will oppose insanity, if necessary forcefully.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bufferoverflow on Monday September 07, 2020 @11:48AM (#24400194)
People who are reasonable most of the time don't need that much laws to govern them. It's the cases of conflict, violence, murder, property ownership, property destruction, and other negative things that inevitably lead to the invention of government, judges, police, prisons. Every country in the world has them, and for multiple reasons.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bena on Monday September 07, 2020 @10:13AM (#24399527)
Is it just the names that bother you?

Anarchy is the "I can do it over the weekend" of politics. It glosses over so many details.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jokethrowaway on Sunday September 06, 2020 @07:01AM (#24390507)
You can organise without a government, using the free market. Having competing law enforcement firms would bring competition to a state monopoly that does little to nothing to prevent actual crime and persecute tons of innocent people.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by TulliusCicero on Monday September 07, 2020 @02:51PM (#24401627)
Most laws govern interaction between two or more people, how exactly are you going to have that work with privately selected sets of laws? Is everyone going to have a little glowing icon above their head so I know what agency I'm dealing with? For N law sets, will we have N * N law set combinations when people from two different law sets interact? What about if there's three or four or five different ones at once?