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Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by komali2 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:17PM (#24384678)
What examples of communism are you looking at that "haven't worked?" I really hope you aren't about to suggest the soviet union, that would be silly, considering it had a state, social classes, currency, and no general ownership of the means of production, and therefore wasn't communism.

Might surprise you to learn that communism is working this very day, on communes all across the world. Also, the basic tenants of it have manifested themselves in various civilizations throughout history.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by ByteJockey on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:09PM (#24385127)
>I really hope you aren't about to suggest the soviet union, that would be silly, considering it had a state, social classes, currency, and no general ownership of the means of production, and therefore wasn't communism.

Y'know, this is a fair point for a philosophical conversation.

It's a terrible point in a conversation about deciding how to actually organize society, however. You can't ultimately know what people's intentions are before the fact. How other people who claimed to have the same ideology behaved once they gained power is inherently relevant.

Let's turn this around for a second. Let's say someone comes to you and says "Hitler got fascism totally wrong". It's actually a really great ideology that Hitler violated by doing X, Y, and Z. Would you give this person power in the real world?

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by komali2 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:37PM (#24386322)
> d. Let's say someone comes to you and says "Hitler got fascism totally wrong". It's actually a really great ideology that Hitler violated by doing X, Y, and Z. Would you give this person power in the real world?

What? No! Because hitler got fascism perfectly right, and fascism is a terribly unethical way to organize government.

I meant specifically I am all about anarcho communism, it's happening and working right now in communes all around the world, has worked in the past, and imo is better than massive nation states forced to point nukes at each other on a hair trigger to sustain themselves.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by ByteJockey on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:55PM (#24386423)
> Because hitler got fascism perfectly right

Huh, out of all the potential responses, this is actually the one I wasn't expecting. Mostly because fascism is notoriously poorly defined to the point where experts can't agree on what it actually means. To the point where the wikipedia page on its various definition is quite a lengthy read ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism ).

While I agree with you on the downsides of the large, powerful nation states, My point was more about the rationality of outsiders to these ideologies. The reaction of "People labeling themselves this way enacted totalitarian governments during large parts of the 20th century, I probably shouldn't give any power to current people labeling themselves this way." are fairly rational.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by erinnh on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:34PM (#24384826)
If a system doesn't work in a larger society it's not a system that can replace our current one that somewhat works on that scale.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by komali2 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:38PM (#24386331)
Falsely assumed premise: that this "scaled" society is necessary or ethical.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by dbsmith83 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:44PM (#24384909)
Wow, if Soviet Union wasn't communist, wonder why there is such a gigantic section about it here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Soviet_Union

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by boomboomsubban on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:54PM (#24384981)
Because they called themselves Communist? Calling yourself something doesn't make it true.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by dbsmith83 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @12:33AM (#24389000)
Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with the vast amount of documented sources on this one