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Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:43AM (#24383121)
Yes, apparently he died last week. The person said to be behind the phrase we are the 99% at the Occupy Wall Street movement. He was an interesting character.

My question would be: do anarchists really work as professors at the London School of Economics? And Yale? Aren't you a 'system man' at that point?

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by mathieuh on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:02AM (#24383212)
We all have to live in this system, it's unrealistic to think all anarchists should be ideologically pure and live in the woods off the land like Kaczynski.

I believe thinking and writing and getting these ideas into the mainstream can be a form of praxis. As Zizek says, sometimes the most revolutionary thing to do is nothing at all.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:10AM (#24383256)
Absolutely. The system is pervasive and we have to live within it.

But should you embrace it? While Yale and LSE are no doubt great institutions, to my mind they are also up there as educators of those who go on to become the system's top managers.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by vidarh on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:28AM (#24383365)
LSE has a history as a hotbed of activism ever since it was the focal point of UK student rebellions in the late 60s.

It's not nearly as Conservative as you might think.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:36AM (#24383407)
Hotbed is right. The institution literally force grows radicalism. And yet, it is considered a top university.

The reason is that it helps to present what is in fact a false dichotomy. The radical thought they support is that within the Overton window. Nothing that would really shake up the ruling elite is expressed there. Like CNN and Fox news.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by evgen on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:09AM (#24383253)
Ah, the wonderful 'do as I say, not as I do' flavour of anarchism. Apparently, it is the only type of anarchism one actually finds in the wild.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by cblconfederate on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:59AM (#24383192)
Anarchists are not an alien species, nor is there an anarchistan yet. They live among us
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jacquesm on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:14AM (#24383274)
I suspect that if an anarchistan would be created within a lifetime it would 'revert' to some other well known political framework, either a democracy or a dictatorship.

If there was an anarchistan in recent history it was a probably Somalia and even there you now find a regular government.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by ozborn on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:25AM (#24383755)
A more appropriate example of "anarchistan" would probably be Catalonia during the civil war in the 1930s. It has been written and discussed by Orwell, Bookchin and many others. Your point is well taken though, at the end it did function as part of a "regular" democratic government before being crushed in the civil war both by Soviet backed communists and Franco.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:17AM (#24383296)
Well, I suspect that David Graeber, who quietly self-proclaimed himself as one of the leaders of Occupy Wall Street, was one of those people designed to make 'anarchistan' a distant reality. He would take the energy invested in him and then faceplant before the finish line. By say, proposing that the left wing should be voted for.

He was in support of Corbyn etc - this is to say he was happy to work within the system. You might say that this is a pragmatic view - but really he represented a hard left view.

Anarchism is, by definition, no-leaders. Self-determination. Neither communism nor a libertarian position. So I think in practise he was in contradiction of the beliefs he purported to hold.

BS jobs was good though!

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by vidarh on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:32AM (#24383393)
Libertarianism was conceived by the anarcho-communist Joseph Dejacque, who first used the term to call Proudhon, the father of anarchism a mere 'moderate anarchist, liberal but not libertarian'.

For about a century libertarianism was exclusive a far left ideology including mostly anarchists and libertarian Marxists.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:38AM (#24383422)
I suspect hard left and hard right meet up eventually... :)
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by Retr0 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:08AM (#24383248)
Well he was fired by Yale for his political actions (Although of course they didn't say that). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/25/usa.internatio...
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by woko on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:10AM (#24383259)
> do anarchists really work as professors at the London School of Economics? And Yale?

I know a banker who is communist. It does not mean that he behaves like a communist in his actions, but he does in his words. From my perspective, he takes the best (or the worst) of both worlds: the quality of life of a very rich man who can afford living in the most expensive places and whatever leisure he wants, and the ability to punch down on the "lesser" people around him from his morally higher stand-point. Never under-estimate people's hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance, especially when what is at stake is exerting power over other people's lives. One can always find a way to rationalize one's crappy behaviour to try to lower the cognitive dissonance after the fact.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:46AM (#24383478)
> I know a banker who is communist.

That's an incontinent position to hold and he must have high cognitive dissonance of schizophrenia. Except if he is duplicitously self-serving, ie happy to receive the payments but not the opprobrium that comes with a high paying system position.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by vidarh on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:13AM (#24383674)
You'd be very surprised how many socialists and communists there are in banking.

On one hand one of the things Proudhon and Marx agreed on was that driving down the cost of credit is an inherently radical act - the cheaper credit becomes the weaker the hold of employers over employees becomes, as it becomes easier to start for yourself.

On the other hand in finance you see the mechanisms at work laid bare.

Nowhere else than in finance and in far left groups have I seen the same extent of shared fear (AND optimism - people tend to be unaware the Communist Manifesto starts with fanboy-level praise for the advances brought by capitalism) about the long term societal effects of automation for example.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by feralimal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @10:53AM (#24383984)
I'm not surprised. They see themselves as doing the best for themselves - that's anarchy, right? But they are prepared to harm others to do it. But even so, they want to be thought well of.

I guess bankers and communists share the idea of looking at 'the people' as a group to be governed and managed. Both are wedded to the system. I think communistic thinking is the idea that seems to have won, and (technocratic) governance is going to proceed with that as its basis.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by vidarh on Sunday September 06, 2020 @10:59AM (#24391774)
You've totally missed the point of what I wrote.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by pessimizer on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:07AM (#24383236)
It's a good question. Not specifically about the London School of Economics, because that was started by Marxist Fabian Society members 125 years ago, but about a lot of academia.

Of course anarchism is a resistance to rule by domination, not to systems and procedures. Some universities are no doubt power centers, though.

edit: anarchism means "no ruler." It's usually painted by people who think rulers are necessary as something like amorphism i.e. "no shape."

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jhrmnn on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:59AM (#24383195)
You can be a capitalist and still say true statements about anarchism, both supportive and unsupportive. Or vice versa.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by koheripbal on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:03AM (#24383218)
Once you support anarchism, your other positions become oxymorons because you're working to eliminate the systems that make organization possible.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by approxim8ion on Saturday September 05, 2020 @08:58AM (#24383185)
That's kind of like saying you can't criticize capitalism while still using an iPhone. I don't feel it holds.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by rmrfrmrf on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:04AM (#24383223)
Doesn't surprise me considering neoliberalism and anarchism have a lot of the same goals in terms of dismantling the state.