Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by sokoloff on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:15PM
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I hope that I'm selling my labor to my company for less than it's worth. Otherwise, I've put a giant target on my back for elimination. The company is taking a risk by employing me and paying me no matter what I produce; I don't mind at all at they make a profit on the transaction and seek to keep it that way.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by restingrobot on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:17PM
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Exactly this! There is no reason why both laborer and company can't be happy. Work is a mutually beneficial arrangement and as a manager I get to make sure that is true for both parties! I hate when people have the mentality that life, work, or happiness is a zero sum game.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by bluntfang on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:19PM
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disagree. if you think you're being over paid you probably aren't. If company is paying you an exorbitant amount of money it probably means they think you are indisposable.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but this is the other side of your perspective.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by patrickthebold on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:08PM
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If you are at $BigCorp there's probably only a rough correlation between what you are paid and what you are worth.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by rdtwo on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:52PM
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If that the correlation is better between how much that manager likes you and who you are related to
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by arkitaip on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:21PM
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How does that mentality serve you when it's time to negotiate your salary or benefits?
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by restingrobot on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:26PM
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IF you're worth way more than you're getting paid, negotiations should be super easy. This is probably a terrible analogy, but think of working like mining diamonds and the employer like selling cut stones. If you mine huge diamonds with fairly regular frequency asking to get paid more is a no brainer for you and the company.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by sokoloff on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:12PM
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It's served me fairly well so far. The key isn't to minimize my ask; the key is maximize my value and then ask for something where I'm making good money and the company is making that amount plus all the benefits and other costs plus a margin on my labor so everyone leaves the transaction better off. The last thing I want is for a company in the business of employing @sokoloff to be in a money-losing business thereby.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by restingrobot on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:06PM
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A real friend would understand if you told them you don't want to do something. As a manager I'm not super interested in making people do things they don't want to do anyways. Obviously its unavoidable sometimes, but I think most employees also understand this.
Re:Ask HN: Are you friends with your manager?
by rdtwo on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:51PM
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Your manager is not your employer it’s an important distinction. Your manager is someone who can get you what you want(more money) at no personal cost to him/her self. Moreover having someone loyal in higher positions is benifical to the manager as well.
I believe it is healthier to have a stark perspective on what is actually happening in employer/employee relationships, and keep work as something that I do in order to be able to afford a place to live and food to eat and nothing more. Whether I enjoy whatever job I have at the time is secondary to this: it’s a bonus, but again I try very hard not to let my job become a part of how I see myself.
If you let yourself become “friends” with your boss I think you’re in danger of blurring these lines and getting into the strange position where not only must you do something you don’t necessarily want to do, but you must do it or let a “friend” down. This seems like a fast-track way of burning out.