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Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Thursday September 03, 2020 @06:57PM (#24369794)
This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by awalton on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:34PM (#24370520)
Unless you're a billionaire who can actually get a Congressperson on the phone, you're burning cycles. They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents.

That's what involvement in our government has become in America - a bunch of people shouting into an endless void, and the people in power doing more or less whatever fits their needs most at that particular moment.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by rurp on Thursday September 03, 2020 @09:01PM (#24370718)
> They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents.

While this is certainly true and billionaires have far more sway than a random citizen, I don't think it's quite as dire as you say. I've heard from multiple people who work in politics that letters like these are tracked by the staff and the tallies considered by the representative. Which all makes some sense because for every person motivated to write a letter there are likely hundreds or thousands who feel the same but didn't bother to write.

I wouldn't spend a bunch of time writing a finely crafted letter, but a short personal note sent to a Congressperson is very quick process and has some chance of mattering. I've done this a handful of times and there's usually a form on their website that makes it all quite easy.

Citizen letters aren't going to counteract major lobbyists, but a lot of issues that Congress handles don't really have entrenched financial interests on either side. It's in an elected reps self interest to keep their constituents happy and scoring some easy wins in response to citizen complaints is well within their wheelhouse.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:22AM (#24381567)
My Congressional Representatives' Office called me this morning. They want a little additional information about Daniel Stenberg, and then they will write a letter to the US Embassy.

Obviously that's no guarantee that the problem will be resolved, but at least there are efforts to try to resolve this problem. I hope this breaks the logjam.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Thursday September 17, 2020 @08:52AM (#24503964)
I am self replying to give everyone an update. I just got another email from my Congressman's office. It said:

> Our office has submitted an inquiry on your behalf to the US Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden which included a letter of support on behalf of Mr. Stenberg. As soon as we receive a response I will update you accordingly.

Obviously by itself that does not resolve the problem, but at least it will trigger some additional review.

As I noted before, I'm sure my congressman did not directly see any of this, but that isn't the point. This is just the usual way in the US federal government to deal with broken processes.

I'm hoping that this will eventually fix the problem. We will see.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:13AM (#24374608)
Exactly. I'm not expecting my letter to actually be read by my congressman, that's not the point.

Every US Congressman has staff who get letters like this everyday. They send them to the appropriate agency, and track them. It's the standard process in the US to deal with the bureaucracy when it gets stuck, it is somewhat like the ombudsman role in other systems. There is no guarantee, but there is a chance.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by jdright on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:04PM (#24370289)
The funny thing is that if he had gone work as a temporary worker in Canada, two years would have given him permanent resident status. Then two more years he can become a citizen, then he would be free to enter USA. This would be faster and better solution overall. But anyways, I don't think it is ever worth the trouble going there.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by xuki on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:14PM (#24370365)
That’s not how it works. Only U.S. citizens have the right to enter the country. Canadians can be denied at port of entry.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by Scoundreller on Thursday September 03, 2020 @11:32PM (#24371459)
While correct, it’s not clear at what level Daniel has been “banned“. He was denied an ESTA and told to get a visa, but that hasn’t been denied (yet?). Canadians need neither, so he might be cool if he showed up at a PoE, or maybe not.

And a visa/ESTA isn’t required for most Europeans arriving at a land Port of Entry, so who knows what would happen then. But they do ask more questions when you don’t have an ESTA.

I guess if the USA wanted to arrest him, they would’ve been very fast at granting a visa.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by wenc on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:22AM (#24371685)
Hmm, becoming Canadian just to enter the USA seems like a difficult and roundabout way of going about it....

I'm reading Daniel's page and it seems to me that a number of commenters here are confusing his intent, which is "visiting", not "immigration". I've noticed that in the US, people tend to use the word "immigrate" for anyone trying to get into the country, whereas the word immigrate has a much more specific meaning. Technically, to "immigrate" means to apply for permanent residency -- i.e. to stay in a country indefinitely, and to live and work here. That is decidedly NOT what he's trying to do.

(I guess it's fair since most people don't have actual experience with immigration, so the term is a little fuzzy.)

Daniel is trying to "visit" the US temporarily and leave after. The long and the short of it seems to be:

1) Daniel is citizen of Sweden.

2) Under US law, citizens of Sweden qualify for the Visa-Waiver-Program (VWP), which means they do not require a visa to visit the U.S. for tourism, business or transit.

3) A few years ago, the US (and other countries, including Canada) introduced an additional requirement as a security measure: electronic pre-authorization or ESTA in case of the US [1] (which incidentally is NOT a visa). This means citizens of countries (in the VWP) who could previously enter the US with nothing but a passport, now had to apply for an ESTA online (which takes anywhere between 3 seconds to 3 days to get approved). Again the ESTA is not a visa -- only a pre-auth. Citizens of these countries still do not require a visa to enter the U.S.

4) Daniel has applied for ESTAs many times, and was approved many times before, but the last time he applied, he was denied.

5) When a VWP citizen is denied an ESTA and still wishes to visit the US, they have the option of applying for a regular visitor visa the old-fashioned way, at a US consulate/embassy. This is a lengthier and more bureaucratic process -- which presumably involves more thorough vetting.

6) Daniel still hasn't received his visitor visa.

(Side note: the only 2 countries whose citizens have "visa-free" access to the U.S. are Canada and Bermuda [2]. Citizens of these countries do not require ESTAs).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_System_for_Travel_A...

[2] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by gowld on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:36AM (#24374365)
Has Daniel applied for a non-ESTA visa? How long has that been waiting?
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by wenc on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:58AM (#24374489)
870 days is what the title of his webpage says.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by peter303 on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:39PM (#24370563)
Careful. You could end up on a no-fly list or worse for consorting with persona non grata. (I am paranoid)
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by refurb on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:49PM (#24370661)
Why would a Congressman go to bat for a foreigner who can't get entry into the US?

I mean, I guess their office could push the gov't for an actual decision, but I can't see them fighting for approval.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Saturday September 05, 2020 @04:29PM (#24386622)
I wasn't suggesting that a Congressman directly go to bat, though that would be awesome. Any US citizen can contact their Congressional Representatives' Office to request that some bureaucratic problem be resolved, and the Congressional office directly contacts the relevant organization within the executive branch. I live near Washington DC, and it's just part of the process.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by shawnz on Thursday September 03, 2020 @09:04PM (#24370734)
To attract talented professionals to their state
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by gowld on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:37AM (#24374374)
To attract ONE talented professional to visit SOME state?
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by shawnz on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:53AM (#24374916)
And others who are influenced by him (of which there are many in this case)
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dav43 on Sunday September 06, 2020 @09:43PM (#24396023)
Good luck - if you get traction please post an update. I too love shouting into the void of bureaucracy.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:21PM (#24448739)
I've had a phone call, and email, and a follow-up email from my congressman's office to discuss this case. Again, that's no guarantee that the result will be what we want, but there is clearly traction.

Again it's not like my congressman is talking to me, but I was not expecting that. For Congressional staff this is just part of the job.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by joshjhargreaves on Thursday September 03, 2020 @07:50PM (#24370191)
spoiler: it won't.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by Brendinooo on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:42PM (#24370592)
I had a friend who worked in constituent services for a US Senator, and...yeah, if you can get someone's attention in that setting, they can make stuff happen that otherwise would have fallen through the cracks. Been awhile since I heard stories, but one came to mind was someone getting the right visa for his bride in time for the wedding. Another one had to do with getting some kind of medal for a soldier.

Not sure if doing things on someone else's behalf can be as effective, but it almost certainly won't hurt to ask.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by refurb on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:51PM (#24370669)
Oh when it comes to immigration issues for the family of US citizens, yes, calling your Congressman can definitely move things along.

But a foreigner whose visa is denied? Not sure why the Congressman would bother unless it somehow impacted the US.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:25AM (#24374706)
They have an incentive to do it because the congressman is my representative, and I am a voter who is a complaining.

I live near DC, so I guess I assume others know more about the US system than is common knowledge. My apologies. Please let me explain.

Of course the congressman will not actually read the letter. That's not the point. The point is that every congressman has a mechanism for accepting requests from constituents, routing them to the correct agency, and tracking them to make sure they are resolved. You fill in a web form, prove that you are a constituent, and then the information gets routed to their staff. My daughter was did this job a few years ago, there are small armies that do it. It's just part of the US system.

There's absolutely no guarantee that this will be resolved the way I want, but this is the standard US mechanism for dealing with stuck bureaucracies.

Other US citizens could do the same. It might be a good idea, because with multiple complaints, then the US state department would get the clue that this is important and needs to get worked on.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by refurb on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:57AM (#24376107)
No doubt you can try and hey, maybe it will work?

I definitely know it works for people stuck in the immigration system, but this particular example (a visa for a temporary trip to the US) doesn’t seem like it would rank all that high on a Congressman’s priorities.

My guess is they’ll look into and tell you there isn’t anything they could do. Might speed up the rejection though.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by dwheeler on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:35AM (#24381599)
The Congressman himself doesn't read these things. There are staffers in his office who do this. It's the usual way to try to get things unstuck.

I already got a phone call back from the Congressman's office from a staffer. She explained that she needed a few additional pieces of info. I've already contacted Daniel Stenberg as well. So we will see!

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by D2187645 on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:14PM (#24370371)
canned letter in 3 2 1