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Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by pulse7 on Thursday September 03, 2020 @05:43AM (#24362356)
Trials are secret because they don't want to reveal further secrets. On the other hand you hear people saying: "If you are doing everything right, you have nothing to hide."
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Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by raxxorrax on Thursday September 03, 2020 @06:23AM (#24362582)
The difference is that in a democracy you should be responsible for the actions of government and you need to be able to audit governmental action, not the other way around.

I am surprised that they really have zero cases where mass surveillance helped. I would have thought they would make some up at least, but that got probably too hot.

Of course there is a massive amount of secret cases where it did help, but they just cannot tell you about...

It is a bad excuse that can be used to justify anything. Instead the case for secrecy needs justification.

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Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by bdamm on Thursday September 03, 2020 @01:06PM (#24366144)
If you have nothing to hide, it's only because there's nobody trying to hurt you right now.
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