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Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by chard_slicks_ on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @04:27PM (#24357740)
Will Clapper's perjury ever be punished?
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by truantbuick on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @09:14PM (#24359979)
Don't forget about Keith B. Alexander, the director of the NSA at that time.

He testified to congress that this program helped foil 54 terror plots. Weeks later, he conceded that it was helpful in "only one or two".

We later found out there was basically just one, and it wasn't a terror plot; it was a Somali-born taxi driver living in San Diego who attempted to send $8,500 to a Somali terror group.

But the damage was done. The headlines blared from his initial testimony about the NSA using this program to thwart 50+ terror plots, but there was a fraction of that coverage correcting it.

Clapper's perjury may be more blatant, but Gen. Alexander's is pretty galling too. They both should've been charged.

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by ndesaulniers on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @07:34PM (#24359422)
I wonder if Clapper established that you could lie before US Congress without consequence, or if there are earlier instances?
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by 205guy on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @08:24PM (#24359701)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

"In July 1987, North was summoned to testify before televised hearings of a joint congressional committee that was formed to investigate the Iran–Contra scandal. During the hearings, North admitted that he had misled Congress..."

One of the sources explains that when congress investigated the Iran-Contra scandal, it granted Oliver North immunity for what he would say. From one of the Wikipedia sources:

"The most serious obstacle to North's prosecution was the immunity grant extended him by the Select Committees that in 1987 investigated the Iran/contra matter. North's nationally televised testimony under that grant of use immunity, which guaranteed that nothing he told Congress could be used against him in a criminal proceeding, greatly complicated Independent Counsel's investigation and raised serious questions as to whether North could ever be tried."

https://fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/chap_02.htm

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by uncoder0 on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @08:50PM (#24359830)
Pardon my ignorance. How can Congress grant immunity from the Judiciary? I thought that was only a power that resided in the Executive?
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by alasdair_ on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @10:38PM (#24360352)
A federal court issues the actual order to appear, after 2/3 of a committee or a majority of the house or senate votes to compel a witness to attend.

The witness cannot plead the fifth but they also cannot be prosecuted for anything they say.

And yes 2/3 of a committee is a small number of people.

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by ncmncm on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @11:53PM (#24360677)
Usually the deal is supposed to be void if they turn out to have lied or concealed relevant information.
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by freen on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @10:11PM (#24360239)
Ahh yes, then North proceeded to head up the NRA.

It’s grifts all the way down!

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by MertsA on Thursday September 03, 2020 @04:52AM (#24362061)
Don't forget North then was forced out of the NRA after being appalled at the widespread corruption around the executive vice president of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre. It's pretty sad when Oliver North is the ethical voice of reason in the room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9oV17dIza4

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by nickff on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @07:57PM (#24359555)
A number of people have been convicted of perjury for lying to Congress.[1] Outside of Congress, Bill Clinton was known to have lied under oath (at a deposition) while in office, and was not thrown out of office.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/5-people-who-lied-...

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @08:43PM (#24359797)
If you're a baseball player [1], you'd better come clean when hauled before Congress, or the consequences will be severe.

If what you do actually matters, then meh, whatever, it's all good.

1: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-baseball-clemens/clemens-...

Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by heavenlyblue on Thursday September 03, 2020 @03:24AM (#24361589)
The baseball player doesn’t have enough leverage in terms of being culpable and thus knowing enough about their crimes for which at least others could be prosecuted.
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by jjoonathan on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @06:26PM (#24358918)
Not... wittingly.
Re:Ninth Circuit rules NSA's bulk collection of Americans' c... by teawrecks on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @06:28PM (#24358939)
I get it.