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Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by adrianN on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:52AM (#24338673)
It is my understanding that the error rates skyrocket when patients are handed off between medical staff. Longer shifts reduce the number of hand-offs and thereby reduce the number of errors overall, despite sleep deprivation being a source of errors in itself.
Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by carlmr on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:47AM (#24339153)
Considering error rates due to sleep deprivation must rise at some point and the hand off error rate is probably quite constant there may be an optimal hand off.

However that doesn't mean this is the global optimum. There are probably ways to reduce hand off errors, e.g. by introducing hand off check lists. Sleep deprivation errors on the other hand can only be reduced by reducing sleep deprivation, giving crystal meth to the doctor (probably unethical and unsustainable) and by general poka yoke style changes that will have benefits even when not sleep deprived.

So the global optimum can probably be shifted to somewhere where the doctor is not sleep deprived and the hand off is organized. Which is also more humane towards the doctor.

Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by eru on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @06:10AM (#24340121)
You could probably have overlapping shifts?

After eg 6h of work, don't accept any new patients, but finish treating the ones you already have, if possible.

Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by carlmr on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @06:34AM (#24340273)
Overlapping shifts could just be seen as a better hand-off. However I think the hand-off issues are probably the same that you have in any project. There's a lot of implicit knowledge. E.g. you've noticed patient X was breathing heavily, but you weren't sure if it meant something, if you see that again 10h later you might investigate, while for the other doctor if he started after 8h he might notice it for the first time, and have a similar wait and see approach.

In this case one procedural way to make this better would be to teach doctors to write up anything unusual they notice during the day, and read this list of unusual events during hand-off to the next doctor.

Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by eru on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @12:53AM (#24350081)
That's a good idea, but I was suggesting something slightly different: try to minimize the number of hand-offs by overlapping shifts and stopping the acceptance of new cases for the outgoing personnel.
Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by michaelt on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @06:19AM (#24340173)
> there may be an optimal hand off.

Presumably the constraint here is having an integer number of shifts per 24-hour day - 3x8 hour, 2x12 hour, 1x24 hour and so on.

Re:Why Doctors Hate Their Computers (2018) by carlmr on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @06:31AM (#24340249)
Technically a day is not a hard constraint in the short term. Maybe if you do one 36h shift, however unlikely, produces fewer errors than a 12h shift with 2 hand-offs. Long term we know about adverse health effects of inconsistent sleeping patterns, so those would factor in as well.