Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by AdmiralAsshat on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:33AM
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So researchers at Mozilla have replicated the findings of a 2012 study that allows users to be identified through the collation of data from third-party trackers as the users browse popular websites.
Question: Was Mozilla replicating using a "vanilla" browser (e.g. no adblocking/tracker protection)? Or is this even after tracking mitigations are put into place? Mozilla's own Firefox now has built-in "tracker" protection in all versions of its browser, so it seems like they would be well-positioned to test whether the de-anonymization is thwarted with tracking protection toggled on or off.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by pflock on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:24AM
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Not sure about with Firefox's built in tracker protection. But I recall reading that having ad/tracker blocking could actually make a user easier to uniquely identify, because the browser now behaves differently than most: https://panopticlick.eff.org/about.
My hope would be that built-in tracker will make ad-blocking browser traffic more ubiquitous.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by throwaway_pdp09 on Monday August 31, 2020 @01:15PM
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Pretty sure mine is highly distinctive for exactly that reason, no cookies + no JS, but if all you can tell from me is when I'm online, what useful info will that give you to sell me to advertisers. Nothing. I'm worthless. Track away.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by rvrabec on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:28AM
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"High uniqueness hold seven when histories are truncated to just 100 top sites." This is similar to the app finger printing they do with mobile phones, identify you by the unique assortment of apps on your device.
Should the top concern be about identification or deep collection of browsing history?
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by hombre_fatal on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:53AM
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The point is that browser history collection is the same as cross-site tracking. Any 3rd party analytics operation like Google Analytics is able to access your browser history. To such a point that whether they do or not shouldn't matter and couldn't be proven anyways.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by hombre_fatal on Monday August 31, 2020 @12:05PM
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Making a request to any 3rd party domain on every page of the internet is what gives people access to that information.
It's not talking about a browser.getHistory() API. Owning the 3rd party resource (CDNs, analytics) that is loaded on most big websites is far better than that.
I'm surprised how many companies (Facebook, Verizon, Adobe, Oracle, Twitter) are almost matching Google's tracking networks. Google's makes sense based on the amount of Adsense / Analytics trackers there are out there, but I hadn't realized these other companies are just as pervasive.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by manicdee on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:31AM
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This isn’t about the history stored on your computer, this is about the browsing habits observed in real time by eg: ad agencies who get lots of information about where you have been because their ads run everywhere.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by hombre_fatal on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:49AM
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Because you visit the same domains across sessions. Throw in some less common domains like HN (i.e. top 1000 instead of top 100 website), and you're trivial to reidentify. (This is what "reidentification" is referring to in the quoted part of the paper in TFA)
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by sumtechguy on Monday August 31, 2020 @12:00PM
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Also even if say you and I visit the same exact 100 sites. Order, time on site, sub pages visited, and time of day I use the sites, all can mater. Ad network can also leak out data as you may see a different set of ads than me.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by ben_w on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:52AM
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33 yes-no questions which each split the audience in half, uniquely identifies slightly more than the world population.
But any given website is much tighter than that: a regular visitor to Cambridge Evening News is unlikely to be based in राजनांदगांव, and vice versa.
Someone is regularly accessing the website of one local take-away restaurant in Larnaca, a gay men-only dating website, and Ars Technica? That’s probably already got you down to 2-15 people out of the ~3e9 on the internet, with just three specific websites in their history.
Re:Identifying People by Their Browsing Histories
by derivagral on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:11AM
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Why do you doubt this? Even if you can't always trust the 'unique' part, it is still information which can be combined to produce a more accurate profile.
Question: Was Mozilla replicating using a "vanilla" browser (e.g. no adblocking/tracker protection)? Or is this even after tracking mitigations are put into place? Mozilla's own Firefox now has built-in "tracker" protection in all versions of its browser, so it seems like they would be well-positioned to test whether the de-anonymization is thwarted with tracking protection toggled on or off.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/pioneer
Should the top concern be about identification or deep collection of browsing history?
It's not talking about a browser.getHistory() API. Owning the 3rd party resource (CDNs, analytics) that is loaded on most big websites is far better than that.
I'm surprised how many companies (Facebook, Verizon, Adobe, Oracle, Twitter) are almost matching Google's tracking networks. Google's makes sense based on the amount of Adsense / Analytics trackers there are out there, but I hadn't realized these other companies are just as pervasive.
Edit: typo.
I get that a browsing history C is unique, but if I clear it, how can you identify that my new history D is tied to C and not unique?
But any given website is much tighter than that: a regular visitor to Cambridge Evening News is unlikely to be based in राजनांदगांव, and vice versa.
Someone is regularly accessing the website of one local take-away restaurant in Larnaca, a gay men-only dating website, and Ars Technica? That’s probably already got you down to 2-15 people out of the ~3e9 on the internet, with just three specific websites in their history.