Re:Does Facebook pay Apple 30% of revenue derived from ads m...
by zepto on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:21PM
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We clearly disagree that there is no consumer facing reason to distinguish streaming game stores from movie stores.
The clothing store analogy is not relevant in this argument, because it assumes there are no technical differences, but that isn’t actually something we agree on. I.e. it’s a case of affirming the consequent.
It doesn’t explain anything - it just hides the point of disagreement by talking about clothes instead of software, which in fact work very differently.
Streaming games can clearly do things that other interactive malware can do, and that includes fraud, phishing, collecting credit card information, promoting hate, funding terrorism, and any number of other things.
Movies can’t do things like phishing or collecting credit card numbers etc.
They can of course promote hate, and Apple has removed streaming video services when they have done so.
So there is a difference.
As for claiming Apple is lying - well you clearly want to make that case, but it’s not at all obvious to me that they are lying about anything.
Nobody is pretending Apple doesn’t want to block competitors from establishing their own storefronts.
Apple is quite clear that they are banning streaming video because they want to retain control of what goes in the store.
I also think they are quite clear that they don’t want anything that does an end run around their control, and their collection of in app payments.
Nobody is lying about that.
As for you ‘flipping’ incredulity round on me - is there something I’ve said that you don’t think I believe?
Everything Apple does with the store rules involves enabling classes of apps they think will be essential to their users while preserving their control of the storefront.
Streaming game stores would be competition with the App Store itself, and allow it to be bypassed.
Streaming video services obviously don’t allow the App Store to be bypassed.
There’s nothing secret or hidden about this.
As for ‘duopoly’ - as I say, if you want to make the case that they shouldn’t be allowed to block competing storefronts based on a legal theory that they are too powerful to be permitted to do that, fine.
But that’s not what this discussion has been about. You are claiming streaming games and streaming videos are the same for the purposes of this argument.
They are obviously not and I’ve articulated the reasons.
If you want to continue to disagree on that point, be my guest.
The clothing store analogy is not relevant in this argument, because it assumes there are no technical differences, but that isn’t actually something we agree on. I.e. it’s a case of affirming the consequent.
It doesn’t explain anything - it just hides the point of disagreement by talking about clothes instead of software, which in fact work very differently.
Streaming games can clearly do things that other interactive malware can do, and that includes fraud, phishing, collecting credit card information, promoting hate, funding terrorism, and any number of other things.
Movies can’t do things like phishing or collecting credit card numbers etc.
They can of course promote hate, and Apple has removed streaming video services when they have done so.
So there is a difference.
As for claiming Apple is lying - well you clearly want to make that case, but it’s not at all obvious to me that they are lying about anything.
Nobody is pretending Apple doesn’t want to block competitors from establishing their own storefronts.
Apple is quite clear that they are banning streaming video because they want to retain control of what goes in the store.
I also think they are quite clear that they don’t want anything that does an end run around their control, and their collection of in app payments.
Nobody is lying about that.
As for you ‘flipping’ incredulity round on me - is there something I’ve said that you don’t think I believe?
Everything Apple does with the store rules involves enabling classes of apps they think will be essential to their users while preserving their control of the storefront.
Streaming game stores would be competition with the App Store itself, and allow it to be bypassed.
Streaming video services obviously don’t allow the App Store to be bypassed.
There’s nothing secret or hidden about this.
As for ‘duopoly’ - as I say, if you want to make the case that they shouldn’t be allowed to block competing storefronts based on a legal theory that they are too powerful to be permitted to do that, fine.
But that’s not what this discussion has been about. You are claiming streaming games and streaming videos are the same for the purposes of this argument.
They are obviously not and I’ve articulated the reasons.
If you want to continue to disagree on that point, be my guest.