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Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by majormajor on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:57PM (#24297936)
"Infiltrated" is a strange word, here.

From the original report: > “white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement . . . by organized groups and by self-initiated infiltration by law enforcement personnel sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”

"self-initiated infiltration" sounds more like the racists were already there. My understanding from other reporting is that there's a law enforcement/military -> extremist militia pipeline as well, e.g. Oath Keepers and such.

Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by Ancapistani on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:53PM (#24299114)
One of the issues I see is that half of the country seems to see Oath Keepers and Threepers as “extremist militias”, while the other half sees them as a reasonable reaction to an increasingly powerful government.

I’m explicitly not taking a position on this topic -instead, I want to call out the significant disparity in perspective. HN seems to nearly unanimously accept the labels applied to these groups without question while other communities of which I’m part reject them (also without question).

More worrying than the polarization to me is the fact that neither group seems aware that other sees things so differently, and that the opposite opinion is broadly held by the other side. The assumption seems to be that only “extremists” would hold that view, when the reality is that 30%+ of the population share it.

The “moderate” position is vanishingly small these days.

Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by chillwaves on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:40PM (#24299933)
What does a "moderate" position look like when it comes to white supremacy?
Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by Ancapistani on Thursday August 27, 2020 @08:33PM (#24300257)
This is exactly what I mean. Which specific group are you referring to?

Using “extremist”, “anti-government”, “right-wing”, and “white supremacist” almost interchangeably seems to be very common. Both this article and the report its based on repeatedly refer to “white supremacist or far-right militant groups”. Those are very different things.

Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by meheleventyone on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:09PM (#24298073)
It’s infiltration because they’re doing it to further their aims by subverting those* of organisations they’re joining. The Internet means that planning and radicalisation can happen without ever being explicitly targeted by organised extremists. Hence self-infiltration much like the Islamist terror attacks carried out by self-radicalised people.

* - Nominally at least.

Re:White supremacists and militias have infiltrated police a... by DlSGUSTING on Friday August 28, 2020 @12:17AM (#24301312)
Yeah, there were many Klan members in the police force back in the day? This article seems to suggest it's a new problem