New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion

Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by crististm on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:04AM (#24279919)

It's not that simple.

The sea is not 'owned' by any country and changing the existing regulations that work (for some form of 'work', but one that is stable in a large context) with something else that works better is an iterative process with a very long iteration time.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:22AM (#24280015)

The sea is not 'owned' by any country

But all the ports are. Come up with rules, and just dont let ships dock if the owners of the ship dont follow the rules

Doesnt seem that tricky.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by hutzlibu on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:55AM (#24280190)

But what exact rule would you implement, that would have an effect?

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:19AM (#24280324)

Any dangerous material that is not stored or handled properly is immediately confiscated.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by danarmak on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:29AM (#24280385)

And then sits in port for years until it blows up.

Do remember that the bigger problem here wasn't a sea-unworthy ship that had to be impounded, but the fact the explosives were not safely stored or disposed of. That's not directly the fault of the ship's owner.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by throw0101a on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:51AM (#24281217)

> And then sits in port for years until it blows up.

Or is sold to the highest bidder like like any other 'proceeds of crime' government auction.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by 72deluxe on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:33AM (#24280407)

Doesn't that just move the problem from the boat to land??

I think that's precisely why the substance was there in Beirut anyway - it HAD been confiscated.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by rad_gruchalski on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:21AM (#24281375)

That’s more or less what happened with the stuff in Beirut. It was confiscated and it was sitting there in the port for 6 years! Sitting there and not being handled properly...

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by bregma on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:20AM (#24281060)

Like the War On Drugs. That has been an enormous success.

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by hutzlibu on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:58AM (#24281597)

I meant regarding to this point from above

"No invasion or bombing of any country is going to affect the facilitation of terrorist funding anywhere near the action of restricting trade for companies that have these byzantine ownership structures that shield the actual owners and profiteers from identification"

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Re:New facts about the leadup to the Beirut explosion by BLKNSLVR on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:33AM (#24280067)

To use a quote template from The Office:

  Jo: Question 1: Can I trace ownership of the ship and the goods it's transporting?
  Dwight: It's complicated
  Jo: Yeah, but you see... it's not.

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