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Re:Jeffrey Epstein’s Harvard connections show how money can ... by vmception on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:52AM (#24270784)
“Prosperity preaching” is the root of your cognitive dissonance, there is no relation to moral behavior and economic reality and we have no framework for making that so, primarily due to the 5th amendment of the constitution which that bars expropriation. It is pure theology which tries to intrinsically tie morality and economic reality, and puts many people at a disadvantage amongst those who never subscribed to that theology.

Even the 6th amendment which has been used to circumvent the 5th amendment in civil forfeiture still requires the property being related to the alleged or actual action, and anyone wealthy enough can undo a civil forfeiture. Criminal forfeiture has a much higher bar of review and also wouldn't be able to be part of your version of reality.

It is not a prerequisite that prisons are full of people that own nothing and return to society with little ability to acquire anything, while people that do own things are able to avoid prison because their lawyers understand the law than the prosecutors. That's just what has become commonplace and is familiar. But the prisons or conviction itself does not strip people of their property titles, when the title is unrelated, and when wealthier people do wind up in prison they do not have the same level of inconvenience in prison or when returning to society, as they don't need as much external infrastructure to get by.

Re:Jeffrey Epstein’s Harvard connections show how money can ... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:29AM (#24281431)
Thanks for your comment. I should note that I'm just feeling this idea out:

>Prosperity preaching //

I think you've got it flipped. I'm not saying financial gain comes to those who 'believe' (I assume we're meaning those who are beneficial in society; indeed to some extent I think it's the opposite) but that justice should strip at least some of the cushion from the wealthy who are convicted of the most heinous crimes.

Yes, I realise that might not be consistent with USA constitutional law - but that doesn't necessarily show it to be a wrong course.

Basically I agree with your last paragraph and seek to equalise things - make leaving prison less onerous for the underprivileged and more for those for whom it causes little hindrance.

Why morally shouldn't punishment of convicted offenders sell to bring them down financially to a basic level?