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Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by toddh on Friday April 08, 2011 @06:31PM (#2425852)
The theory is about total carbs, which includes sugar, potatoes, etc, not just grains. Strange to just focus on grains.
Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by yummyfajitas on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:51PM (#2426150)
From the article: "...the grain figure doesn't even include the two hundred pounds of potatoes Americans ate every year in the early 20th century."

Table 4 of the original report gives more detailed numbers. In the period 1909-1919, grains, potatoes and sweeteners together contributed 54.4% of American calories. In 2004, it was down to 43%.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnpp.usd...

On the other hand, fat consumption nearly doubled over that period (from 12.6% to 23.9%).

Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by rubashov on Saturday April 09, 2011 @12:02AM (#2426472)
Interesting table. Note the major decline in saturated fat intake (butter, whole milk, lard) in favor of oils and synthetics.
Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by pyre on Friday April 08, 2011 @07:11PM (#2425948)
I thought that the theory was the simple carbs (e.g. sugars, refined grains) were worse offenders than complex carbs (e.g. potatoes).
Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by tomp on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:26PM (#2426098)
In terms of GI, the Glycemic Index, sure they are. However, the more important measure it GL, the Glycemic Load, which is basically the GI multiplied with the average amount.

For example, even though a cherry has much higher GI than a potato, you eat more sugar/carbohydrates in one potato than in one cherry, so a potato has higher GL and thus higher insulin response.

Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by pyre on Saturday April 09, 2011 @03:15AM (#2426700)
How many people would think to compare a single cherry to a single potato though? Most people would think in terms of roughly equal mass (x grams of cherries vs. y grams of potatoes where x is approx. y).
Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by rubashov on Friday April 08, 2011 @09:27PM (#2426223)
A potato is basically sugar, as far as digestion is concerned.

The "complex carb" and glycemic index thing is pretty well nonsense. A carb is a carb. The only question is whether you have a properly functioning metabolism and insulin sensitivity. They call a screwed up insulin sensitivity "metabolic syndrome". If you've developed one, typically through many years of poor eating, you need to cut out starch, because your fat cells and pancreas can't handle it properly. If you're thin, well then the glycemic index thing is useless. Your pancreas and fat cells work fine.

Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by shiny on Saturday April 09, 2011 @12:51AM (#2426532)
A carb is a not a carb. Sucrose is composed of equal parts glucose and fructose, while starch is pure glucose. Fructose and glucose are two different 'carbs' and handled much differently by the body.
Re:Are grains making us fat? If so, we should be much thinne... by fourspace on Friday April 08, 2011 @08:44PM (#2426136)
You posted my exact reaction. Having read Gary Taubes' book and seen film interviews with him on the subject, I don't once recall him focusing solely on grains.