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Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by wizzwizz4 on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:10PM (#24253918)
I want to support Epic, because they're challenging Apple's monopoly. But… I have a feeling they're not doing it to be nice to us, but because Apple's mooching off “their turf” (i.e. us) when they want to be doing all the mooching.
Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by weego on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:17PM (#24253971)
There no one to support here. If Epic was to force some kind of change here, expect Epic Pay in every Unreal game whi h may have benefits in the short term but how long does that ever last?
Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by gpm on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:19PM (#24253990)
> but how long does that ever last?

Forever? Because now there are competing payment providers.

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by xondono on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:46PM (#24254240)
How are they competing? Either the court rules that what Apple is doing is lawful, and is the single payment provider, or they decide it’s not, and Epic becomes the single payment processing provider for unreal games.

Either way game devs have no choice

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by gpm on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:53PM (#24254310)
> and Epic becomes the single payment processing provider for unreal games.

This seems like an unjustified assumption that Epic would attempt to leverage any monopoly they had on game engines to create a monopoly on payment processing. They haven't done this on desktop where they (up to legal issues) could, so I don't see why you think they would on IOS.

Moreover, there is competition between game engines and gamedevs are not a captive audience to quite the same extent as consumers are.

Moreover, if epic wins and they attempted this they would have literally established the precedent for Apple to sue them in return.

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by xondono on Monday August 24, 2020 @08:19AM (#24259870)
> This seems like an unjustified assumption that Epic would attempt to leverage any monopoly they had on game engines to create a monopoly on payment processing.

Why? That’s what they’re selling

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by read_if_gay_ on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:22PM (#24254009)
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by suyash on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:26PM (#24254049)
EPIC and it's CEO are a bunch of hypocrites trying to get a special deal just for them from Apple and now playing victim when got rejected.
Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by leafboi on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:33PM (#24254122)
Who cares. The whole point of free market capitalism is to have self interested actors competing to create change that benefits society as a whole. It may not work all the time but right now this is an example of the invisible hand at work.

If it were not for competing business interest what human is altruistic enough to throw this many resources at taking down apples monopolistic iron grip over the app market?

Support Epic not for their moral reasoning, support them because their interests align with yours.

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by xondono on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:48PM (#24254254)
> Support Epic not for their moral reasoning, support them because their interests align with yours.

How do you know? I don’t

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by leafboi on Sunday August 23, 2020 @05:53PM (#24255596)
You're telling me you're not interested in getting rid of apples' monopolistic policies?

You're telling me that you're not aware that if epic wins then it means apple has less of a monopolistic foothold over the app store?

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by xondono on Monday August 24, 2020 @08:25AM (#24259919)
> You're telling me you're not interested in getting rid of apples' monopolistic policies?

I’m telling you I don’t know. Are you 100% sure that all alternatives are best?

What if this prompts governments to have app stores regulated as public utilities? To me that sounds like a nightmare.

If I were interested in reducing the ‘monopolistic foothold’ I can always get an android phone, can’t I?

Re:Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in ... by leafboi on Monday August 24, 2020 @11:45PM (#24267974)
>I’m telling you I don’t know. Are you 100% sure that all alternatives are best?

Don't know what? I made a bunch of guesses but you haven't specified what you don't know. What do you mean by alternatives that are best?

I am saying that apple should not impose monopolistic regulatory practices in the app store, what alternative are you talking about?

>What if this prompts governments to have app stores regulated as public utilities? To me that sounds like a nightmare.

Yeah like how the government regulates the stock market. Sounds like a nightmare, we should not regulate the stock market.

>If I were interested in reducing the ‘monopolistic foothold’ I can always get an android phone, can’t I?

The google play store does the same shit. It's essentially a dual-opoly.