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Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by onion2k on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:24AM (#24250008)
A lot of the security concerns listed in the article, while entirely valid, would be mitigated by a combination of a permissions check similar to the ones that already exist for things like the Clipboard API and a UI element to show what connections are in use and sending data.

Any issues that exist about using it for DDoS attacks already exist for the available network request APIs.

Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by scarface74 on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:41AM (#24251871)
Users have been dialog blind for decades. They instinctively click OK. This hasn’t been helped by the laws passed forcing almost every website to pop up a “we use cookies” dialog. As usual, anytime the government gets involved in regulating anything it doesn’t understand it makes the problem worse.
Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by waon on Sunday August 23, 2020 @04:59AM (#24250635)
Mitigated how? Websites are going to force users to click "allow."
Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by onion2k on Sunday August 23, 2020 @06:43AM (#24250981)
Websites are going to force users to click "allow."

That's a bit strong. A website can't force a user to anything. The point is that to use the feature nefariously without the user knowing it's happening is relatively easy to prevent by putting the feature behind a permissions flag. If the user actively wants a website to be able to make connections they can say yes.

If the user doesn't know then they ought to be saying no, but really they won't and they'll say yes if the warning isn't scary enough. The browser vendors could also do things like throttling connections or asking for permission again if things look too weird.

Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by ResidentSleeper on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:00AM (#24251279)
Most people I know just click "yes" on all popups until the website starts working. In between every other website asking for notification/location permissions and a huge pile of GDPR popups (which are actively hostile towards users that attempt to opt-out), we've managed to condition web users into routinely agreeing to give up their privacy and security. Hooray.
Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by nuker on Sunday August 23, 2020 @10:12AM (#24252080)
> Most people I know just click "yes" on all popups until the website starts working

This. Defaults matter. You cannot introduce a privacy sensitive feature just with a permission dialog box. You must expect that most users just click through, and continue to protect those "dumb" users.

Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by zeroimpl on Sunday August 23, 2020 @10:49AM (#24252323)
The only websites which would force you are:

- legitimate websites using this feature for valid purposes, such as to control devices on your local network

- targeted malware attacks trying to hack devices on your local network

I’m certain we will not start getting popups for this on any mainstream website.

So as long as this permissions thing is more than a simple yes/no dialog, I’m not worried.

Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by waon on Sunday August 23, 2020 @02:22PM (#24254013)
I’m not convinced because many of those “legitimate websites” don’t have a very good track record of respecting user security and privacy. Given past events, I find it hard to believe that the ad industry or the entertainment industry or any other industry won’t abuse access to these APIs. To make it worse, if popular websites wants permission to use these highly-invasive APIs, users would have no choice but to cave in. This worries me a lot.

Even if you don’t consider bad intentions, the security implications are huge. Imagine if Zoom had used this feature. The security fiasco a few months back would’ve been made a whole lot worse.

Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by zeroimpl on Sunday August 23, 2020 @09:47PM (#24256881)
The “legitimate websites” that disrespect privacy and security almost always do that in a way transparent to the user (ignoring the cookie prompts, but I don’t think that’s a fair comparison). For example, news websites could try and access my location info, but they don’t because there’s a permission prompt which would appear.
Re:Chromium devs want the browser to talk to devices directl... by waon on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:48AM (#24294200)
For this particular feature, there can be no meaningful transparency whatsoever. Permission to use TCP or UDP is very, very different from permission to access location info. Any user can easily imagine the possible consequences of allowing the latter, but the definitely not the former. Heck, no one can possibly know the actual consequences unless someone goes through the effort to reverse engineer websites using this feature.